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bhob
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Well if the ref gets injured isn't the fourth official there to replace them?
Hardly a sham or pointless
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Sure stick him in Siberia then! He does bugger all in the stands! It is the same thing, once the two can communicate.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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What's stopping the main referee having a bet on same?
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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So just have a spare official in attendance, put the fourth official in an ivory tower and the job is a good 'un.
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coyne
Paul McGrath Joined: 17 Aug 2013 Location: Sunderland Status: Offline Points: 15881 |
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The fourth official is pretty important for said reason
Its actually a very common thing in England for a 4th official or linesman to pull a muscle or fall ill or whatever and then they go searching in for the stands for an FA qualified ref to take his place, its happened this month in the Championship its that common |
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bhob
Roy Keane YBIGs Donald Trump Joined: 13 Feb 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 10470 |
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Yeah true. I think there's more to it than that. They have to check substitutes coming on in case one of them forgets he's packin when entering the field of play
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Hans Moleman
Roy Keane Muff: That is a lie and you are a liar Joined: 09 Aug 2012 Status: Offline Points: 10199 |
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True, very rarely happens though. That was originally why they were there wasn't it, without all the other bits added to their remit. Now their main role seems to be to smile at high profile managers as they take abuse after abuse on the touchline from managers.
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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alihau41
Liam Brady Joined: 10 Mar 2016 Location: Paris Status: Offline Points: 1702 |
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same reason a player not two footing and getting a red...your argument is weak. the fact that players and referees have to make split second decisions. a video ref watching replays on a monitor has much more time on his hands to overhaul the original decision
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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And his decision will be scrutinised far more. If we are basing the whole thing on the argument that you might get the odd dodgy official then there really isn't much debate. Regarding the fourth official, I merely suggested him as he has a monitor and, when the ball is in play at least, is merely watching the game. It doesn't matter if it is a fourth official or he is called the ultimate umpire, all you need is a way for him to communicate to the referee and rectify blatant errors. At the moment VAR is being terribly managed and affecting the spectacle.
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FrankosHereNow
Roy Keane I like Klopp Joined: 02 Jun 2011 Location: El Sadar Status: Offline Points: 12156 |
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Just flicked onto Rennes v PSG there at HT in the Liverpool game. VAR decision was very quick and correct. Goal disallowed for Rennes. Ref had a look on an tablet at the side of the pitch.
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Roy Keane Joined: 27 Mar 2012 Location: Dubai Status: Offline Points: 12750 |
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It was used tonight in the Coppa Italia match between Juve and Atalanta to give a peno for handball. Buffon saved it.
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Hans Moleman
Roy Keane Muff: That is a lie and you are a liar Joined: 09 Aug 2012 Status: Offline Points: 10199 |
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Just seen it. There's no way you can give a penalty for that. I think there are huge issues around handball decisions in football. I actually think its the worst area in terms of refereeing decisions in football. They definitely just make it up as they go along.
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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Interpretation doesn't come into it. The letter of the law does. When there's a handball, there's a decision to make and it gets made. Shirt pulling in the box is now a foul, and diving is clamped down on, not seen as "part of the game" anymore. |
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alihau41
Liam Brady Joined: 10 Mar 2016 Location: Paris Status: Offline Points: 1702 |
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seriously?? you've had some clanger comments, this one being another. letter of the law is stated yes, but each persons interpretation of the laws is different and that's what refereeing decisions comes down to. for instance, west brom peno vs arsenal in the last couple of mins around new years. given as handball against calum chambers, which 99/100 just isn't given.
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Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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And that was with no VAR. The law doesn't do interpretation. It says handball is handball and must be punished.
The referee, any referee, is there to apply the laws of the game as they stand. He considered the handball as described above as deliberate, and took the relevant action. Even if you think it's not deliberate, you give the ref a decision to make if you handle the ball. And it would be very difficult for a VAR in that case to overrule him, as it's not a "clear and obvious" error. We've seen penalties for it before and we'll see them again. |
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Gary McKay
Roy Keane Yo Adrian Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 13816 |
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You are contradicting yourself. The Law (12) does NOT say that handball is handball, it must be DELIBERATE to warrant action being taken by the referee. |
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Gary McKay
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Handling the ball Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm. The following must be considered: • the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand) • the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball) • the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence • touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) is an offence • hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) is an offence |
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Fruice
Liam Brady Joined: 22 Nov 2014 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 1259 |
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My understanding is that the Var official is always in contact with the ref in relation to the issues under the VAR officials remit.
However if there is an event which they are unsure of they both look at it again and try to reach the correct decision. |
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