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Gary McKay
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When I saw the England team sheet in Stuttgart with Sansom instead of Pearce, Webb instead of Hoddle and Waddle instead of Stevens, I knew we had a chance. |
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"Smalling and Jones.... have the potential to be the PL’s best ever pairing in my opinion." - SlurAlex
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pre Madonna
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Waddle and Stevens both played, they played in different positions. I think you meant Trevor Steven. "Magic Chris" was absolutely class though, although he had to leave England to be properly recognised as such.
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pre Madonna
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Their media have destroyed their ability to get managers, they went all out to get Capello, I think he was the highest paid manager in the world at the time, but the damage had been done by the 'fake Sheikhs' and Sven. As the bigger clubs upped their managerial salary, why would anybody want to take the England job and have their credibility destroyed? Allardyce, who got the job as he was the only viable English candidate, proved this. Southgate has only got it by the two sweetest words in the English language; default. I don't think they have always made the right or wrong choices, some of them have been good managers and many seemed, at the time of appointment at least, to be good choices, the problem is one of continuity. There seems to be a constant ripping up of the script and starting again for the senior team and not enough links with their underage squads. Even at the moment, when their teams have had a remarkable year at underage, you find yourself wondering how Aidy Boothroyd, straight from the 1970's, has developed these lads for future tournaments. He is a young Howard Wilkinson!
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Gary McKay
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Yes, I obviously meant Trevor Steven (Everton) who played on the right which is where Waddle played and not Gary Stevens (Everton) who played right full. IMO Steven at that time was the best right-sided midfielder in England, much better than Waddle. Houghton was probably the second best. |
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"Smalling and Jones.... have the potential to be the PL’s best ever pairing in my opinion." - SlurAlex
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Gary McKay
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England went to Euro92 without a right full.
Lee Dixon and Gary Stevens were injured prior to the tournament. Keith Curle and David Batty played right full in two of the games. In the other Taylor played 3 centre backs with Carlton Palmer as sweeper |
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"Smalling and Jones.... have the potential to be the PL’s best ever pairing in my opinion." - SlurAlex
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irishmufc
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What?! That's mental how Liverpool didn't have even one player in the England squad after winning a double. |
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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pre Madonna
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How many regular English starters did they have that season? One or two? I assume they had Grobelaar, Nicol, Hansen, Lawrenson, Whelan, Molby, Dalglish and Rush playing regularly and I have probably missed one or two.
What year was it they fielded a team of non-English players? 87?
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Trap junior
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Yeah but they hardly had any English players. Can't think of any. |
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pre Madonna
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The team that won the double by beating Everton at Wembley had no English player, Steve McMahon was on the bench and the Aussie Craig Johnston was eligible, I think he had a B cap. I can't find the league game where they first did it, it was certainly around this time.
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Territorial
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All true enough, but even when England did pick players from successful Liverpool teams, it still did them no good, eg:
"The most players Liverpool have ever had in an England team was the six who faced Switzerland in Ron Greenwood's first match in charge in September 1977. Clemence, Phil Neal, McDermott, Hughes, Kennedy and Callaghan all started in the goalless draw." A goalless draw... http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/five-liverpool-fc-players-set-6774183 https://www.11v11.com/matches/england-v-switzerland-07-september-1977-234393/ Edited by Territorial - 03 Jul 2017 at 5:52pm |
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TonyNotJack
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Brian Clough should have been given the job in 1977 when he was at the height of his genius instead the clowns gave it to the ultimate FA yes-man. |
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pre Madonna
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So even in the late '70s and '80s, English football's top teams were kept there by technically superior foreigners like Arnold Muhren, Ricky Villa, Ossie Ardiles, Frans Thijssen, John Robertson,Tommy Gemmell,John Toshack, Kenny Dalglish, Steve Heighway and Ken McNaught?
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Gary McKay
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Correct. 4 Jocks 3 Paddies 1 Dane 1Aussie 1 Welsh 1 Zimbabwean |
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"Smalling and Jones.... have the potential to be the PL’s best ever pairing in my opinion." - SlurAlex
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I thought Arry would have done a good job had he been given it in 2012. First thing he would have done is got Nico Krancjar a fake English passport
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Gashley Grimes
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Who cares?
If this lot were successful I'd have to move to the moon. Could you imagine Sky Sports News/Gary Lineker/Clive Tyldesley etc if they won a trophy? |
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I admit to getting annoyed by Tyldesley, the worst type of little Englander, but even I know I can mute him. Lineker seems quite likeable and SSN has just been a parody of itself for a long time now, although I haven't seen it since my last time in Ireland. Is it still a staple of Irish pubs for no apparent reason? I don't think you would have to move anywhere. The reaction in Ireland and Scotland would be far worse, everyone would be going on about how much the English would be going on about it.
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colemanY2K
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Bump...
Cleaning up at underage level this year. The latest achievement see's them crowned World Champions at u17 level this evening. The question now is will they be able to transfer this unbelievable talent into the senior side over the next few years and lift a major trophy. I take it what we are seeing is the fruits of their labour from St George's??? |
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"One of the dominant facts in English life during the past three quarters of a century has been the decay of ability in the ruling class." Orwell, 1942.
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Green Devil
Robbie Keane Aye Kes, I've pissed me-self again Joined: 06 Oct 2010 Location: Barbados Status: Offline Points: 22173 |
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To think they won the Final today without Sancho who is an exceptional talent!
There was a great point made this evening in regard to Steve McManaman, he won his first England under 21 cap before he even played for Liverpool's first team and this was a common theme for years an years in England. Take a quick scan through England's under 21 squad now and it's radically changed to where the vast majority of these players are starting regularly for their parent clubs or being loaned out to sides in The Championship. They came 3rd this year in the under 21 tournament and only lost to Germany on penalties, so the penny has finally dropped.
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"He drives two Ferraris; I think he's a very lucky lad to have 50 caps for Ireland,"
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