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Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

England won't fear Belgium and imo there won't be much between them when they meet, this Belgian side are a group of individuals and for all their talent don't seem to be a great team by any means.

I wouldn't be surprised to see England getting a draw.
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I think people underestimate the likes of England and overestimate the likes of Belgium.

 
Who are the likes of England and Belgium ?

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No it's not kiddo, why not say people underestimate England and overestimate Belgium instead of using a nonsensical cliche. End.
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You can see now why young dual eligible players are holding out. That's an poor squad 
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If Villa win the play off final I could see Grealish getting a call up next season
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Looking at the squad selected, I think Grealish would be very close to making it for this WC. If he is playing PL next season I'd be shocked if he's not capped within a year
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People who gorge on English Premier League games think England underperform. They think England have 'the best' players cause that is who they watch most often. 

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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

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Worst England squad Ive ever seen.
Worse than the Euro 92 squad  ? 
By far.
That was a decent enough squad even with Gazza and Barnes injured, it was the team selection, tactics and management.
 
Pearce, Wright, Des Walker, Platt, Lineker, Shearer, Merson etc.
 
Although it did include Carlton Palmer and Any Sinton.
 
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Originally posted by Fintan Fintan wrote:

People who gorge on English Premier League games think England underperform. They think England have 'the best' players cause that is who they watch most often. 

 
The best players in the Premier League aren't English though so I don't really get your point.
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Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Worst England squad Ive ever seen.
Worse than the Euro 92 squad  ? 
By far.
That was a decent enough squad even with Gazza and Barnes injured, it was the team selection, tactics and management.
 
Pearce, Wright, Des Walker, Platt, Lineker, Shearer, Merson etc.
 
Although it did include Carlton Palmer and Any Sinton.
 
Agreed. I do think the squads in '12, '14 and '16 have been at least equally as bad though.
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It’s not the best England squad but it’s probably the 9/10th best Squad at the World Cup.

They should be able to beat all those teams in group H so I think they can get to the 1/4 finals. They have gotten a good draw in fairness.

Belgium should be looking to get to the 1/4s at least.


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Originally posted by bhob bhob wrote:

Originally posted by Fintan Fintan wrote:

People who gorge on English Premier League games think England underperform. They think England have 'the best' players cause that is who they watch most often. 

 
The best players in the Premier League aren't English though so I don't really get your point.

I'm sorry you aren't able to understand. I will break it down for you. 

England like all teams play at their level. People who watch EPL have an overinflated view of English players as they watch English football primarily. 

I watch a lot of Irish League football and have an overinflated view of IL players but in reality they consistently flop following a move abroad. 

My Polish friends have an overinflated view of Polish teams because it is what they watch. They believe Polish teams should be ever present in CL and that the national side should perform better.
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Originally posted by Fintan Fintan wrote:

People who gorge on English Premier League games think England underperform. They think England have 'the best' players cause that is who they watch most often. 



LOL

Ah stop 


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Barring 2/3 calls that Southgate has made, the squad nearly picked itself. People seemed surprised by the lack of quality in it which they shouldn't be, its not like he's left out a load of top players. Who else do you select that would seriously improve it? 
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Fintan, a lot of us on here watch a lot of EPL, and not one person is saying England will get further than the quarter finals. Most are saying that the quarter finals would be a great achievement for this squad, so that is hardly over inflating them because we watch the league.
Who on here has ever even suggested that England "have the best players"?
A prime example of making stuff up to suit a narrative there.
 
I think their centre back area in that squad is as weak as it has been in decades.
 
 


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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

A lot of us on here watch a lot of EPL, and not one person is saying England will get further than the quarter finals, so that is hardly over inflating them because we watch the league.
Who on here has ever even suggested that England "have the best players"?
 
I think their centre back area in that squad is as weak as it has been in decades.
 
 

Ok i will ammend that part of my analysis....it was based on the title of the thread.

EPL watchers have sn overinflated view of the qualities of Englush players as they watch and critique those players most often. In reality English players are at their level that is "Why are England not the best" solved. It's really quite simple. 

Spanish league viewers were probably saying pre 2010 "Why are Spain not the best" they werent the best then because they didnt have the best players. Just because you see their relative quality on a weekly basis doesn't make them "the best" globally. 
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LOL
I think Topper might have returned.


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Also for the avoidance of doubt I was answering the question posed in the title no agreeing or disagreeing with anyone else assessment of England as a squad. 
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I think Topper might have returned.
 
It not even subtle
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Agree in regards to Grealish if Villa go up and he performs decently can see him getting a call up for the Euro Nations or at least for a friendly
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