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    Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 10:03pm
couple of groups willl go to the wire. 90+9 minute penalty for the Turks kept them in with a shout. They should win there last two games which will put them into a good spot for 2nd - without the penalty they’d been almost done.

Playoff seeding very very tight.

Edit: more than a couple - November 14th could be a classic qualification night.


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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Deutschland the 1st team to qualify. 13 months in advance

Mad how it was all doom and gloom for them at start of campaign after they lost to Macedonia.

But rest of the group really played into their hands then with other teams dropping points.
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Deutschland the 1st team to qualify. 13 months in advance
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FIFA study backed expanding tournament to 48 teams. Meeting on Friday and then final decision in June. 
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The EU and Qatar concluded talks on an open skies agreement.

http://www.ft.com/content/c4c774c0-295c-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7

Good news for those planning on travelling to the WC in 2022. Wizz Air already fly to Dubai. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see them add Doha as a destination.
 
 
 
 
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The EU and Qatar have announced they have signed an “open skies” agreement which gives all airlines from both partners “unlimited and unrestricted access” to each other.The Comprehensive Air Transport Agreement is the first between the EU and a Gulf Co-operation Council state, and comes as Qatar is still experiencing a blockade by its neighbours.Qatar Airways chief executive Akbar Al Baker said the agreement would allow “fair competition” and added: “Our hope is that the success of these negotiations will encourage other trading blocs and significant aviation markets to join in achieving a liberalised global aviation regime for future generations.”

In the agreement, the EU and Qatar agreed to articles on competition, the environment, consumer protection and transparency.Henrik Hololei, the European Commission’s director of general mobility and transport, said: “We are very pleased to have concluded our negotiations with the State of Qatar here in Doha today. Thanks to the strong commitment of all parties, we have managed to reconcile our differences and found common ground through honest engagement and open dialogue.”
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Originally posted by the_walls the_walls wrote:

Originally posted by DUBLIN DOC DUBLIN DOC wrote:

Originally posted by the_walls the_walls wrote:

Originally posted by ColemanKillybegs123 ColemanKillybegs123 wrote:

Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Originally posted by ColemanKillybegs123 ColemanKillybegs123 wrote:

Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Originally posted by The White Cafu The White Cafu wrote:

So if Ireland qualify, you won't even watch a game on the telly?

No. I won't either and I hope we don't qualify. I'd rather Ireland had nothing to do with this competition. 

You'd rather Ireland didn't qualify for a world cup??? 

Why do you even have an account on this website then???
 
Each to their own, not everyone is happy clappy. People have different moral and ethical standards.
But everyone here is here to support their country on the football field??

Of course we are but there has to be a limit to that. It's an extreme example but it is the same logic. Would you want Ireland to qualify and play in a tournament where the hosts explicitly stated that they wouldn't allow black people or women to attend? Using your logic, you might think it's terrible but you're just there to support the team on the pitch. Would you genuinely attend such a tournament? 

I wouldn't go as far as the lads, I'll still go the qualifying games but I would want (I know there is no a hope in hell of it happening) that if we qualified the FAI stated they were boycotting the tournament. There is not a fear of me going to Qatar if we qualify. 
They won’t let black people or women attend ? Jaysus every international team has players of that skin tone or women as part of the set up, can you bang up that article, sounds fckin mad

I didn't say that women or black people wouldn't be allowed attend. I was asking the question that if there was a tournament that had such rules, if ColemanKillybegs would attend it. 
Took you up wrong so chief, my apologies Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

It has nothing to do with "being self-righteous". I just don't want anything to do with it and I'm really disappointed our national team will play a part. 

As a matter of interest did you hold the Russia WC in the same regard ? 

Genuinely yes.

So you didn’t watch a single game at the World Cup? 
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Originally posted by DUBLIN DOC DUBLIN DOC wrote:

I love the rebels on here, I won’t go because of yada yada yada, I bet me bottom dollar these self righteous souls have been to Germany , Poland , Montenegro , Serbia, Russia and so on , and had no fckin hang up about any of them
All the same lads who wear Man Utd jerseys made by slave labour in Pakistan.
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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

It has nothing to do with "being self-righteous". I just don't want anything to do with it and I'm really disappointed our national team will play a part. 

As a matter of interest did you hold the Russia WC in the same regard ? 

Genuinely yes.
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Originally posted by DUBLIN DOC DUBLIN DOC wrote:

Originally posted by the_walls the_walls wrote:

Originally posted by ColemanKillybegs123 ColemanKillybegs123 wrote:

Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Originally posted by ColemanKillybegs123 ColemanKillybegs123 wrote:

Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Originally posted by The White Cafu The White Cafu wrote:

So if Ireland qualify, you won't even watch a game on the telly?

No. I won't either and I hope we don't qualify. I'd rather Ireland had nothing to do with this competition. 

You'd rather Ireland didn't qualify for a world cup??? 

Why do you even have an account on this website then???
 
Each to their own, not everyone is happy clappy. People have different moral and ethical standards.
But everyone here is here to support their country on the football field??

Of course we are but there has to be a limit to that. It's an extreme example but it is the same logic. Would you want Ireland to qualify and play in a tournament where the hosts explicitly stated that they wouldn't allow black people or women to attend? Using your logic, you might think it's terrible but you're just there to support the team on the pitch. Would you genuinely attend such a tournament? 

I wouldn't go as far as the lads, I'll still go the qualifying games but I would want (I know there is no a hope in hell of it happening) that if we qualified the FAI stated they were boycotting the tournament. There is not a fear of me going to Qatar if we qualify. 
They won’t let black people or women attend ? Jaysus every international team has players of that skin tone or women as part of the set up, can you bang up that article, sounds fckin mad

I didn't say that women or black people wouldn't be allowed attend. I was asking the question that if there was a tournament that had such rules, if ColemanKillybegs would attend it. 
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In my opinion the best way to respond to the problems of Qatar is Broncho Stop.........
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Originally posted by LO SCIENZIATO LO SCIENZIATO wrote:

If a person's reason for not attending a World Cup is due to low wages/conditions/deaths to workers then I can tell you don’t bother going to any football stadiums Worldwide. Resultantly, your morals would not have allowed you to attend the World Cups in USA 94(Mexican and Central American workers), South Korea/ Japan in 2002( Indian and Philippian workers), South Africa in 2010 ( local and other African workers), Brazil in 2014( local and other South American workers) and Russia in 2018 (Indian and Nepalese workers )  Deaths in construction/exploitation of workers happens in all developed and non-developed countries, Qatar is no different.  
I have visited the Port of Dalian in China where most of Australia’s iron ore is sent. Steel is made there and shipped to Ireland, UK, Europe to build stadiums/Infrastructure etc. There is one camp just outside Dalian with over 20k people in it similar to what is in Qatar. Will this stop you from attending games/ using infrastructure in Ireland, UK and Europe because of the deaths that have happened in the process of the production of the material? Like f**k it will! 

Too many Free Kony warriors on this thread! 

Did those people die as a direct result of football? That is the main difference here. Personally, I don't import iron ore so don't feel guilt, nor am I connected to health and safety on building sites in any other country. You are right that there was neglect in all previous tournaments and deaths, but this is the first time, that I can  remember, that the decision of a sporting body was the direct reason for death and slavery. All the others are indirect. That doesn't make their lives worth any less, but it removes the complicity attending and watching. It cannot be ignored.
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If a person's reason for not attending a World Cup is due to low wages/conditions/deaths to workers then I can tell you don’t bother going to any football stadiums Worldwide. Resultantly, your morals would not have allowed you to attend the World Cups in USA 94(Mexican and Central American workers), South Korea/ Japan in 2002( Indian and Philippian workers), South Africa in 2010 ( local and other African workers), Brazil in 2014( local and other South American workers) and Russia in 2018 (Indian and Nepalese workers )  Deaths in construction/exploitation of workers happens in all developed and non-developed countries, Qatar is no different.  
I have visited the Port of Dalian in China where most of Australia’s iron ore is sent. Steel is made there and shipped to Ireland, UK, Europe to build stadiums/Infrastructure etc. There is one camp just outside Dalian with over 20k people in it similar to what is in Qatar. Will this stop you from attending games/ using infrastructure in Ireland, UK and Europe because of the deaths that have happened in the process of the production of the material? Like f**k it will! 

Too many Free Kony warriors on this thread! 
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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Whilst I agree somewhat, by the same logic you couldn't travel to the vast majority of countries on earth for one reason or another.
And I could understand that position. I do think this example is unique and almost incomparable. For example, I wouldn't even consider going to Israel and have taken a dim view of musical artists that I enjoy going there to perform, but Nick Cave's recent defence of why he should perform there has changed my mind a little bit. You can take any nation where you find their  views abhorrent and be uncomfortable visiting, whatever your point of view, and you can probably find a decent argument for still going, even if it is only to understand the situation on the ground or because the whole population doesn't deserve to suffer for their elected (or most likely not elected) government. I know myself that my own interest in wanting to visit North Korea is hypocritical with never even considering Israel or Australia.

 As football has become more and more entwined with globalisation, we have seen several major 'clubs' been taken over by families, regimes and individuals that are trying to associate themselves with PSG, Manchester City and Chelsea first and disgusting behaviour second. I struggle to understand how fans of these teams are ok with that, I am not saying it makes them complicit in these crimes, or anything like that, but I struggle with the thought process. I couldn't do it, but I understand the difficulty in walking away from a major part of your life.
With Qatar, I think it is entirely unacceptable for football fans, many of whom are the type of simpletons who bleat on about keeping sports and politics separate, while their game, or what was their game, once, is being completely politicised to prop up a regime that wants to launder its reputation using the World Cup. The World Cup! On top of this, watching the games, even on television, does make you complicit. Whatever you think about the owners at certain 'clubs', the stadia they use, the facilities they use and even why football is played in them, isn't immoral. Whatever about the sponsorship used or the money used to acquire them, in cases, football would have been played in them and they were built in countries with respected labour laws. This is not the case in Qatar.

You could argue, that Brazil, Russia and South Africa were not exactly bastions of health and safety and each had their own problems that meant the tournament shouldn't have been held there, certainly not in the way FIFA go about it,but the problems there are not as deep rooted as in Qatar. Sure, Brazil and South Africa couldn't afford it and have received little benefit apart from white elephant stadia, and Russia was only looking to launder its reputation on a different way, but stacked up against the myriad of problems with Qatar it all seems trivial. As does questioning who pays Manchester City's wage bill. 
People are dying in huge numbers, we can only estimate how many, because of football. One expert's view, that I came across the other day, I believe he was a Norwegian Trade Union leader who has been working with Amnesty International on the situation there, said if there was a minute's silence for each worker who has dies, over two-thirds  of the tournament would be played in silence. 
That is before we get into the slavery, near slavery, low wages, delays in wages in one of the world's richest states. All because of football. 
If you are human and a football fan, you should want f**k all to do with. It is sickening that these people's lives have a price, and all it is is a Coca-Cola and Gary Lineker.

All fair points and well put. For me, it's trickier as I have a huge link to China, could make the argument I shouldn't go again due to what's going on in Xinjiang but in all honesty, I will be back, the people on the ground don't even know what's going on.




But the simplified argument is that you going to China does not make you complicit in any wrongdoing by the Chinese state. I don't think you can compare the two. You can compare whether you would go to Qatar now, for work/business/pleasure to going to China for same. It is the act of going during or around the World Cup or using facilities built for the tournament that are morally reprehensible.

This isn't just about Qatar itself, it is about how the sport of football is responsible for death and slavery. That is why this is different to anywhere mentioned, including, bizarrely, Germany and Poland!
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