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Robbie Keane 
I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Rightly so and all. To get this bunch one tie from qualification is a decent return.
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is anyone else still confused by all this. ok so were relegated but we could still reach the finals through this system if we flop in the normal qualifiers?
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Jack Charlton
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Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 11:29am |
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Basically we started as a Group B so are treated as B for the next Euro’s qualifying play-offs Most of the A’s and B’s will qualify anyway meaning the teams bottom of those groups will likely get a play off place. |
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lassassinblanc
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Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 11:31am |
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De fault. The two sweetest words in the English language!
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Hans Moleman
Roy Keane
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We could play 10 qualifiers next year, losing every single one, and the chances are we will be in that Semi Final playoff in March 2020. It is far harder not to qualify for a 24 team Euros than to qualify, yet we will still manage to f*ck it up. If we had a new management 12 months ago, we could have had 15-20 games bedding in new players and systems before that March 2020 playoff of which we always knew we'd a serious chance of being in. Imagine how different the feeling would be around the team then come those play offs. Instead there's a good chance MON will see us right through to March 2020. It will be a 4th/5th place finish in the qualifying group and a limp defeat without a shot on goal in March 2020 playoff. Incredible this is being let happen.
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Shedite
Jack Charlton
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Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 12:17pm |
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Just to be clear, when it says "in the playoffs", it's not like the previous home and away against one team, it's 4 teams in a knockout for one spot.
We'd have to beat 2 teams on one-off games
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Hans Moleman
Roy Keane
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Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 12:27pm |
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Most likely an away SF also. We would have zero chance of progressing under the current management. Funniest of all though, ourselves or another team could potentially qualify for the Euros without having 1 single win in 90 mins in any game (4 Nations League games, 10 qualifiers, 2 playoff games). We could go 16 games in total, not win a single one potentially and still qualify on pens in those playoff matches  16 games. 0 Wins. Qualify for the Euros. There's a flaw in the nations league system somewhere
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Robbie Keane
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Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 12:35pm |
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Davey Langan 
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Really hard to get your head around these playoffs in March 2020. Let's just presume all 1st & 2nd seeds for Euro 2020 qualifying perform as expected and finish 1st & 2nd in their groups, then the League B playoffs will consist of ourselves, Northern Ireland, Turkey & one of Czech Rep/Slovakia.
But what happens if say Wales slip up and finish 3rd in qualifying, therefore they require a playoff and they are now in league B playoff with Turkey, Ireland & say Slovakia. Does this mean that Northern Ireland will actually benefit from this, as they will go into the League A playoff, but likely be against teams from League C??
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Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 2:17pm |
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Shedite
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Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 4:42pm |
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Ray Houghton
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No Wales would stay in League B play-off. They work from the bottom alright but when it comes to League they'll take the top 4 ranked teams who haven't qualified and they go to League B play-off and then onto the A who if they've no teams as everyone has qualified they'll take the next highest ranked teams from B. So if B only has five teams that didn't qualify, teams 1-4 will take the B play off and team ranked fifth will move up to the A league if there's a spot.
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Posted: 20 Nov 2018 at 12:01am |
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We got to a World Cup quarter final without winning a game. Portugal got the Euro 2016 semis winning 1 game in extra time. With the new Top 2 qualify format, you could still automatically qualify without a win, although, extremely unlikely!
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Hans Moleman
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Indeed but we've never qualified for a tournament without winning a game! Obviously it's a highly unlikely scenario that the likes of ourselves or other sides would be at the playoff round in March 2020 without a single win to our name at some point along the way! If that somehow happened though, and then a team qualified via that playoff route with 2 penalty shootout victories, it would make a complete mockery of this nations league set up. Actually the fact that there is any possibility of such a thing happening at all really makes the process around the playoffs a bit ridiculous.
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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deise316
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Had a very quick look at this just to see which of the 22 teams ranked above us might be in a bit of bother as to qualifying automatically. This isn't a comprehensive analysis by the way, I didn't go off & try & predict the results of all remaining games in each group, and Portugal are currently in what you would think is a false position due to less games played. I took the view Swiss & Den would qualify from our group......
In league A, Iceland could be in a bit of bother, France top group on GD but Turkey are currently 2nd. Turkey are also ranked above us in B, so assuming France qualify, then one of those 2 will be in the playoffs. As regards the 'B's, Bosnia are currently lagging behind in their group, but as an NL league winner, they are guaranteed a playoff anyway. Sweden might be under threat from Romania, but like Bosnia, have a playoff place anyway. Wales aren't going great so far and might not qualify automatically. Austria are currently behind Israel in their group. Slovakia currently in 2nd but probably eventually finish behind Croatia. Lets say Iceland & Sweden make it just for sake of it. On that very crude basis, from 'B' league, say Bosnia don't qualify automatically & are already in the playoffs, so that leaves 3 spots in 'B' ? If say, Turkey, Austria & Slovakia all finish 3rd, would we actually get a handier playoff draw if all the league 'A' teams have qualified automatically ? Like, could it be that us & say, the North from league B end up in the league A path with 2 teams from league C ? Or what way does that work does anyone know ? The only thing that's clear to me is that Bosnia (and same applies to Sweden) can't be drawn into group A, though not sure if that applies if all from A qualify automatically. |
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deise316
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Ah I dunno if I'm any ways correct on any of that. So I'm going to try and put forward a relatively simple scenario and see what way that pans out.
The playoff draw starts with league D. The teams occupying those berths look unlikely to qualify automatically, so that's Georgia, Kosovo, North Macedonia and Belarus into the draw for the league D playoff pathway, which one of them will emerge from. That's league D/pathway D done and that's also probably the last bit I fully understand. League C is next to be drawn. Group winners already in playoff unless they qualify automatically are Scotland, Norway, Serbia. Finland are currently in 2nd place in their group though, and might qualify automatically. Let's say they do. Their place in league C playoff is then taken by the next highest team, which is Bulgaria ? I think that's correct too, but not sure. This is where it gets complicated, and just for the sake of simplicity, I'm going to say all 12 of the league A teams qualify automatically, along with Ukraine, Sweden, Russia, Denmark, Czechs and Austria. Along with Finland from earlier. The remaining B teams are Bosnia (have to be in playoff B pathway as far as I understand the rules), Wales, Slovakia, Turkey, Rep Ireland, North Ireland. How does the B league playoff get drawn in this scenario, and which of those teams go into the vacant league A playoff ? Is it a case that Bosnia go in automatically with the next 3 highest ranked (Wales, Slovakia, Turkey) and ourselves and the North then get drawn into league A, along with the next 2 teams in league C (Israel & Hungary) If a league has 4 or more teams in playoff, then the 4 playoff teams must come from that league- the wording suggests a draw in that scenario. Not clear on whether draw is open or not. Also complicated by tournament hosts can't be drawn in same paths, so if we were drawn in Bosnia's path in B, and Hungary were later drawn in B the same, they would have to be moved to A as Budapest is a host. I think. Same applies to Wales, but if they came out in B, then we would have to be in A. Not sure where Hungary goes in that scenario, probably the one they are drawn in and to feck with the rules. That's presuming the league B teams are drawn first, which I think they would be. Not clear on what happens if 3 hosts end up in playoffs, as one of their rules would have to be broken to have a draw- which rule I've no idea, whether the one about hosts, the one about league winners not going to higher pathway or the one about 4 teams from a league having to be drawn in same playoff pathway. In my scenario, all of us, Wales & Hungary are in the playoffs, so not sure how they can avoid each other or which rule takes precedence over the other one. Could be wrong, but it does seem as if we could end up in league A playoff with 2 teams from C rather than in B (including Bosnia) with 2 other teams from B, depending on who exactly qualifies. Or maybe 1 from A (Iceland maybe) and 2 from C. Never saw anything as unnecessarily complex. If anyone can or wants to make sense of/or rubbish that, please work away. Edited by deise316 - 04 Sep 2019 at 12:37am |
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ProudAndLoud
Davey Langan
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Kosovo I think will push Czech Rep out. They play each other this week and fancy Kosovo having seen them play. Very dangerous minnows.
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