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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by deco911 deco911 wrote:

We can't even house our homeless and folk want us to host the rugby World Cup πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚


By that metric nobody would ever host anything.


Unless they are a large country with the infrastructure already in place you are correct
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Originally posted by deco911 deco911 wrote:

We can't even house our homeless and folk want us to host the rugby World Cup πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚


By that metric nobody would ever host anything.
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Originally posted by deco911 deco911 wrote:

We can't even house our homeless and folk want us to host the rugby World Cup πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

Stick a family of them into that semi D you won’t be allowed knock
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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

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Deise is right. Cost benefit analysis on major tournaments such as this do not prove they make a return on investment for the country even taking the multiplier effect into account


Are you being serious?
You think countries are fighting over the rugby WC because they think it will be loss making....
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It's not the olympics were you have to accommodate 50 different sports and put up large numbers for free.

Ingerland made a killing on the last Rugby WC as all the infrastructure was in place. All they had to do was collect all the cash.


Are you serious. You do know that LA1984 was the last Olympics to make a surplus.

Major sporting events cost money they do not stand up from an economic point of view.

2015 is an outlier as infrastructure already in place.

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We can't even house our homeless and folk want us to host the rugby World Cup πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Deise is right. Cost benefit analysis on major tournaments such as this do not prove they make a return on investment for the country even taking the multiplier effect into account


Are you being serious?
You think countries are fighting over the rugby WC because they think it will be loss making....
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It's not the olympics were you have to accommodate 50 different sports and put up large numbers for free.

Ingerland made a killing on the last Rugby WC as all the infrastructure was in place. All they had to do was collect all the cash.

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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Yes they do but the loss is being paid for by someone else so that's in affect a transfer of income from one group of people to another. Is that fair.


Is it a transfer of income? I would see it more as a brief, if welcome spike for some people. And that is the effect of these tournaments. Not every part of a country will benefit. In major events like the Olympic Games a single city benefits (and that isn't always the case).
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Yes they do but the loss is being paid for by someone else so that's in affect a transfer of income from one group of people to another. Is that fair.
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

But who pays for it. Basically you want a transfer of income to the people around Tue stadiums.

I have already said taking into account the multiplier effect they generally lose money. So that takes into account any knock benefits to local businesses


But the businesses benefit directly. I accept there is a risk of loss at the wider level.

Like I said before, it is more than a matter of economics.
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But who pays for it. Basically you want a transfer of income to the people around the stadiums.

I have already said taking into account the multiplier effect they generally lose money. So that takes into account any knock benefits to local businesses

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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

So who pays for it and who benefits.


Who benefits? At very least the commercial entities in the environs of the Stadium. The return comes from VAT and taxes generated as a result of hosting the tournament, which otherwise would not be generated, will undoubtedly offset a portion of the public outlay (I agree probably not all) I dont disagree that hosting tournaments is an expensive and potentially loss making enterprise. I agree that places where the infrastructure already exists are more likely to host economically successful tournaments. In 2015 England hosted a tournament that benefitted both the taxpayer and the sport.
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So who pays for it and who benefits.
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Deise is right. Cost benefit analysis on major tournaments such as this do not prove they make a return on investment for the country even taking the multiplier effect into account


But even if that is the case, that is not a sufficiently good reason to avoid hosting such tournaments. It's a larger thing to be reduced down to economic matters. And even at that, at local level there is generally a positive effect.
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Deise is right. Cost benefit analysis on major tournaments such as this do not prove they make a return on investment for the country even taking the multiplier effect into account

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Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

I'd agree with you on the social benefits, hosting the special olympics brought out a side of Irish society that is too rarely seen these days. Economic benefits, I dunno. Few of these things ever make money.Β 


I would suspect it is more to do with the pints pulled, meals ordered, hotels booked etc that produce the economic benefits. I would absolutely agree it's an expensive game to host a tournament, but the wider economy would undoubtedly enjoy a growth, even if it is just for the duration of the tournament. I'm not talking in larger economic terms, but just in terms of local economy.
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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by ABFC ABFC wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

I really don't know how anybody from Ireland could be happy about this outcome.

Even if you hated rugby, surely you want your country to do well. This would have been a huge positive for Ireland in so many ways!


I was delighted ye IRFU lost their bid. I don't think it would have been that great for the country. The Welsh/Scots/English & French would bring over respectable numbers but outside of that where would the support come from?


There is loads of Saffa's/ Aussies / Kiwi's/ Americans etc in the U.K. that would have travelled over.
The boost to the encomony, the potential follow on impact to other sporting events being held in Ireland, the world coverage etc
It was a win win.

I'd hate to be that bitter to cheer on this result.

The last World cup which the hosts went out in the group stage has an attendance of 2,477,805 (51,621 per match)

Euro 2016 attendances- 2,427,303 (47,594 per match)

Do you think majority of those were French fans

I agree with Kilbane here some of the reactions by some on here is bitter, just cause you don't follow a sport doesn't mean it isn't massively popular and would attract money
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I'd agree with you on the social benefits, hosting the special olympics brought out a side of Irish society that is too rarely seen these days. Economic benefits, I dunno. Few of these things ever make money. 
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Being honest Deise, I don't find it particularly funny. There are economic and social benefits to hosting major events, and it was a great opportunity to enhance Ireland as a tourist destination. I also like the concept of promoting sports as a social good, which is a natural benefit of hosting and participating in major events. It would also have been greatly beneficial if we wished to bid for further tournaments in other codes, or potentially enhance the possibility of joint bids in the future.

I don't blame anybody for being optimistic. There was reason to be. Our bid was clearly not as strong as others. But there were other factors at play, including the geographical decisions, the previous hosting of tournaments, the apparent willingness of the powers that facilitate smaller nations willing to host tournaments. In the bidding process for Euro 2008 the vibe was buoyant. It certainly wasn't defeatist, the only issue being a potential preference for the ultimately victorious bid being the home of the authorities. Nobody goes into bid for something like this without a belief in their bid.
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