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    Posted: 18 Nov 2017 at 10:08pm
NZ reported a huge surge in tourists in the off peak season of Sept and November in 2011.
So I would question those stats ....
Yes during those months normal tourists won't come but will be replaced by 'more' Rugby folks.
Why would that put people off going in the summer months... doesn't make sense.
Also you will have loads of Irish people travelling around the country to see the games.

But totally agree, should have co-hosted it with Scotland and/or added Wales.


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Baldrick's point is correct to some degree. Essentially state investment is being asked to line the pockets of the likes of the owners of Temple bar pubs. Dublin has 95%+ occupancy, so other tourists won't come in the place of those who do.
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Baldrick, assume your device has no question marks?
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

The fact is that rugby world cups have a negative impact on tourist numbers on average.

Also tourism in Ireland is pretty high and as a previous poster points out our oaccupnacy rates in Dublin are very high so the chances of extra numbers in Ireland due to the rugby world cup is low despite it happening in a shoulder season. As many tourists will be put off going due to high prices as would go for the matches. Anyway it's all irrelevant as we won't be hosting it.

We should have shared it with Wales and Scotland I.e. give them a game or two.

Again, that is on average. Also, it is qualified on a seasonal basis. As such it is not as clearcut as you are trying to make it out. 

I would agree that a broader bid would have been the best approach.
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The fact is that rugby world cups have a negative impact on tourist numbers on average.

Also tourism in Ireland is pretty high and as a previous poster points out our oaccupnacy rates in Dublin are very high so the chances of extra numbers in Ireland due to the rugby world cup is low despite it happening in a shoulder season. As many tourists will be put off going due to high prices as would go for the matches. Anyway it's all irrelevant as we won't be hosting it.

We should have shared it with Wales and Scotland I.e. give them a game or two.
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But that "may" has to be taken into account. Or else you're just quoting selectively. They also use the term "on average", and "seem".
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I don't buy the tourism increase part of this. We already have a very significant tourism industry and don't see how hosting an event like this would trigger medium or long term growth.

What influences that change is currency exchange and access - direct flight or via a stopover.

Days around games yeah sure extra tourists but bed occupancy is extremely high as is - in Dublin anyway - and the rugby folk will simply replace regular tourists around that period.

If there's is money to be spent on the greater good then fix the c**p broadband in some parts of the county and try and help business growth out of Dublin. A knock an effect better infrastructure long term and in the end a better bid for these kind of events.

That's said would have been great to host the competition.


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The authors find ​"...on average, mega-sporting events increase predicted tourism by roughly 8% in the same year. There is, however, large disparities between the types of event; the Summer Olympics, FIFA World Cup and, to a lesser extent the Cricket World Cup and Lions Tour, all seem to have a significant positive impact on tourism...while the Rugby World Cup and the Winter Olympic Games have a negative impact on tourism, ceteris paribus" (Fourie and Santana-Gallegob, 2011: 1364-1367).

That's what it says then it says the season may have an impact. May being the key word. It also says those out of season have higher then predicted. This is be different to saying the World Cup had a positive impact on tourism numbers.
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:



Rugby World Cup tends to have a negative impact on tourism.   More people decide to not visit than actually visit during a World Cup


Given the qualifications in the same extract, that is clearly not what is being said.
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Thats a different tournament, which also was split between countries and was transient in terms of locations.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Well the RWC would be held in late Autumn so that would solve that concern.


Rugby World Cup tends to have a negative impact on tourism.   More people decide to not visit than actually visit during a World Cup
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Well the RWC would be held in late Autumn so that would solve that concern.
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Success on the pitch is not the only benefit for New Zealand. A 2011 paper in Tourism Management by Johan Fourie and María Santana-Gallegob, entitled ​"The impact of mega-sport events on tourist arrivals" considers the impact of international visitors of six major sporting events. The six are Summer and Winter Olympic Games, FIFA World Cup, Rugby World Cup, Cricket World Cup and British/Irish Lions Tour over the period 1995–2006. The results provide interesting reading.

The authors find ​"...on average, mega-sporting events increase predicted tourism by roughly 8% in the same year. There is, however, large disparities between the types of event; the Summer Olympics, FIFA World Cup and, to a lesser extent the Cricket World Cup and Lions Tour, all seem to have a significant positive impact on tourism...while the Rugby World Cup and the Winter Olympic Games have a negative impact on tourism, ceteris paribus" (Fourie and Santana-Gallegob, 2011: 1364-1367).

Crowding out and timing are both cited as possible explanations for the latter two events with the authors suggesting that "This may be due to tourism displacement, but is probably more the result of the smaller nature of these events and because the events analysed here were held in countries with an already strong tourism demand" (Fourie and Santana-Gallegob, 2011: 1369).

They continue by saying that "the size of tourism crowding-out may depend on the season in which the event is hosted. Events held during peak season, on average, tend to show a decline in predicted tourism, while events held during the off-season attract significantly higher numbers than what is predicted" (Fourie and Santana-Gallegob, 2011: 1369).
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Those benefits could only be conjectured, prior to the tournament. It's like the costing of a budgetary submission. Also, the conjecture could be compromised by being conservative, or highly positive about the event. It doesn't matter if it's a
Couch potato or the most active child in Ireland who takes it up anew. That is still an upswing in the numbers, and will either provide a baseline level of activity, or promote even more physical health for those already active.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Show me the figures that it would have made a profit.



That could only be answered post tournament.


Yeah it's a bit hard to see into the future

https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2016/oct/14/rugby-world-cup-profits-rfu-2015-16-ian-ritchie
England rugby are reporting they made £218M revenues from the World Cup. That's just the rugby folks never mind the money made from tourists!

However we wouldn't make as much as England. NZ is probably a better measure-

https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/rugby-world-cup-provides-573m-fillip-nz-economy-report-shows-bd-134133




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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Many kids play more than one sport. It can also result in older players returning to the game. At best it can result in the establishment of new clubs in untapped areas.


I know but for it to be a benefit to the health of the nation it must be a kid who wouldn't have played sport but does purely because we hosted it, otherwise that cannot be considered a benefit as there is no tangible benefit it's just kids playing one sport over another or on top of another.   

again before people's hard earned cash who have no interest in rugby is spent true benefits would have to be clearly outlined.

There are either financial returns which Zidane is arguing, again where is the proof or they are more societal benefits again where is the evidence from previous tournaments that these things can happen. Otherwise it's just motherhood and apple pie stuff.



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There is no shortage of coverage to Rugby in this country. young and old have more than enough exposure to the game as it is
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