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Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

Aye, a great game, and no doubt well enjoyed by those who attended. Psychologically, as the Eirsport lads attested to, possibly a victory of sorts for KK, poor oul Eoin Kelly looked like a very disappointed man, while the (excellent & very cute hoorish) Michael Ryan was deliberately over the top positive about it. 

We won't really know the relevance of the result til the championship year gets going, after all, the best league game of last year was KK's smash & grab away win V Cork in PUR (who played better than they did before or after in that particular game), which went on to prove exactly nothing in the long run, with a fortunate on the night KK reaching the AI final, as per pretty usual, while Cork went on to lose to an average Wexford team, who were subsequently dispatched with ease by Waterford.

 Very few remember that Cork/KK league game now, and it is very possible nobody will remember this draw come June/July/August, but as regards the rest of Tipp's rivals, from the outside, it would look like KK at the very least sowed a seed of doubt in there as to Tipp's invincibility. Ryan being over the top positive was an attempt to keep that seed of doubt out of the Tipp player's heads; as ever, time will tell if he is/was successful in this. 

Galway, WD & Clare will take some little positives from it, while KK, as ever, showed that while they are beatable, it takes a phenomenal work rate to be even thinking about beating them, match them on that & you have a chance, come up short & you won't.  Not dead yet by a long way. 


There is far too much being read into that match for a game in the middle of March. For Kilkenny, well that is probably the starting 15 they will have for the championship. I don't think they have any one else to come in!? However, if either Richie Hogan or TJ Reid are off form against Tipp in the future then they will be beaten easily. Their other forwards need to start contributing. If anything, I think it brought Tipp back down to earth and it gives them and Michael Ryan something to work on. They still also have Barrett, Bonner Maher & Brendan Maher to come back in, not to mention that it was Callanan's, Breen and Cahill's first real workout of the year. In any case, there is absolutely no relevance to this match other than being a good workout for the two counties. On a side note, I personally think that if any county from the 3 you mentioned - Galway, Waterford and Clare - will beat Tipperary when it actually matters, then it will be Galway. They are the only ones that can match them both skillfully and physically.


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Cuala AI Club Champions beat Ballyea 2-19 to 1-10.

First Dublin club to win the Senior AI club title. Will be a huge boost for Hurling in Dublin
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Cuala AI Club Champions beat Ballyea 2-19 to 1-10.

First Dublin club to win the Senior AI club title. Will be a huge boost for Hurling in Dublin

Loughgiel won it in 2012. Antrim hurling has been on a decent decline ever since.
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Originally posted by AntrimMan AntrimMan wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Cuala AI Club Champions beat Ballyea 2-19 to 1-10.

First Dublin club to win the Senior AI club title. Will be a huge boost for Hurling in Dublin

Loughgiel won it in 2012. Antrim hurling has been on a decent decline ever since.

Congrats to Cuala, but can only agree with AntrimMan here, sure their best player, Con O'Callaghan has already ruled out playing for Dublin hurlers so he can go sit on a bench/be in the extended panel for the footballers. Believe he is a good footballer too, but good footballers grow on trees in Dublin by comparison,  people of his hurling ability (in any county) don't. 
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So we have come down to the final round in group stages of the NHL 2017

1A
Tipp have already clinched first place but positions 2-6 are still be decided with so many scenarios possible. 

Cork vs Tipp (Sun 25 Mar 3pm)- Result wont effect Tipp who are guarnateed 1st place but Cork coming off an impressive away win to Waterford will want too win to guarantee a QF place but Cork are in a good position even with results going against them (they have the H2H over Clare/Waterford and good Points Difference)

Clare vs Waterford (Sun 25 Mar 3pm)- Draw means both teams Qualify for QFS, A loss for either team could land them in big trouble if results elsewhere dont go there way. 

(just some of many scenarios)
Clare are in the Relegation playoff if they lose and Tipp/Kilkenny win 
Waterford are in a Relegation playoff if they lose and Tipp/Kilkenny win, A Tipp/Dublin win coupled with a Loss vs Clare it will all come down to pt difference between Cork/Dublin/Waterford for 3rd/4th/5th place 
Clare and Waterford have the H2H over Dublin 

Dublin vs Kilkenny (Sun 25 Mar 3pm)-  Whoever loses will face a relegation playoff and in Dublins case a win may not be enough and repeat vs Kilkenny could happen in the Relegation playoff

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Wexford are amazingly promoted too 1A 

Wexford vs Laois (Sun 25 Mar 3pm)- No real pressure on either team as Wexford are promoted and Laois are destained for the 1B relegation playoff cause of a h2h lose vs Kerry but an Offaly win over Kerry could make things interesting 

Limerick vs Galway (Sun 25 Mar 3pm)- The fixtures commitee thought promotion would all boil down to this game but Wexford have proved them wrong and this match will only determine 2nd/3rd place in 1B. Both will want too impress

Kerry vs Offaly (Sun 25 Mar 3pm)- Offaly must win to stand any chance of a QF but A Kerry win will guarantee 4th Place in 1B and a QF meeting with Tipperary 

Allianz HL Division 2A round 5
Kildare v London, Clane, 1pm
Antrim v Westmeath, Ballycastle, 1pm
Carlow v Armagh, Netwatch Cullen Park, 1pm

Allianz HL Division 2B round 5
Roscommon v Mayo, Athleague, 3pm
Down v Derry, Ballycran, 3pm
Meath v Wicklow, Trim, 3pm

Allianz HL Division 3A round 6
Louth v Donegal, Darver, 3pm
Monaghan v Tyrone, Clones, 3pm

Allianz HL Division 3B round 5
Fermanagh v Leitrim, Brewster Park, 1pm
Sligo v Longford, Markievicz Park, 1pm

 
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Very good win for Waterford in Clare, Cork had a good win over a Tipperary team who rested a lot of star players. Dublin unlucky vs Kilkenny

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Tipperary vs Offaly- Tipperary won't even need to be at there best over Offaly

Cork vs Limerick- hard one too call but Cork will be very happy with there campaign so far and would love to make a semi final. Limerick who had a mixed campaign so far will not fear Cork

Kilkenny vs Wexford- Davy vs Cody, Wexford have nothing too lose after surprising everyone and gaining promotion to 1A. Kilkenny will want to make a statement on front of there home crowd

Galway vs Waterford- for the past number of years Waterford have been Kyrpinite too Galway and seem too always have there number but everything has to end someday and I think Galway will win this time round as Waterfords job seems to be done (keeping 1A status) plus we have county championship games penciled in for the weekends of the 14/15/16 April and 21/22/23 April (same weekends as the league semis and final). Coin toss for home advantage

1A relegation playoff- Clare vs Dublin- both teams unlucky not to be in the qfs. Will be interesting with the Cuala players returning for Dublin and with the balyea players back with Clare. Hard to call but I think Clare will win
1B relegation playoff- Laois vs Kerry
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Tipp, Cork, Kilkenny and Galway with a Tipp and Galway final
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Watching the highlights on League Sunday I was impressed with both KK and Dublin. Some really good hurlers on show and KK will be in good nick come championship with a few lads likely coming back into the fold like Aylward and Michael Fennelly. The corner forward Conor Martin was very good and is a serious player. Walter walsh seems to have found a bit of speed and then you have TJ and Richie Hogan.
Some great scores from the Dubs too who were very physical. Young enough team though. The young Burke fella in the corner was a livewire and Crummey scored a couple of beauties from out te field. Easy to see why Cunnimgham was please giving the interview afterwards. At that level they will turn teams over if their not up for the battle. Dirty stroke by the keeper though and could have done serious damage to Walsh.

Brave battling performance for Laois against Wexford but ultimately beaten by 4 points. Face Kerry next week in the relegation play off. It will be a 50/50 game and if we can get Picky Maher and Matthew Whelan back it may swiing it in our favour. It might also be in O'Moore Park which would also help but Kerry have the hoodoo over us the last couple of years and have beaten us in Portlaoise so all to play for. GAA will probably change the format for next year anyhow if the rumblings are to be listened to so it could mean the result won't matter to our standings for next year.
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Decent win in Clare, probably the first game we had all year that we played well for most of the 70 minutes, I don't think we will be going flat out in Galway either, but not sure Galway are targeting the league by any means. Clare & Dublin is probably the game of next weekend, genuinely hard to call a winner, the Dubs always run them close & will have the Cuala lads back, Clare wont want to lose another home game. 
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Some win for Wexford over Kilkenny and should have been even more. If TJ Reid and Richie Hogan are off form or being well marked then Kilkenny don't seem to have the players to dig them out of a hole anymore. The Kilkenny defence is also far from what it used to be. A good win for Galway over Waterford too especially as Waterford were 10 points up at one stage in the second half.  Limerick had a good win over Cork also and Clare had a good win over Dublin too. 

Therefore it is Tipp v Wexford and Galway v Limerick in the semis. It just goes to show that the divisions in hurling count for zilch. 



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3 out of 4 1B teams make it to the league SFs, there is some considerable shadow boxing going on at the minute. The only team who have tried 100% in every game has been Wexford, and they have got their rewards for that approach, getting promoted & getting to SF's. 

If KK were any other team, you wouldn't really know what to make of them, but seeing as they are KK, you just presume Cody knows what he is at, but unusually, they are heading for the championship with a few question marks over them, mainly if the defence is good enough, Eoin Murphy is anyway, a few magnificent saves today, but very few KK AI winning keepers got all stars due to the fact they didn't have to make many saves in the first place.  The other question is if they can find regular scoreboard botherers if Hogan & Reid are off form or quiet, so far, they haven't found anyone who is hitting points (even less so the goal net) in a few games in a row, but like most teams, have found a few that can do it on one day, if not the next. 

Waterford picked a team with I would think a maximum of 5 championship starters today & really should have won, blowing 2 seperate big leads in the game, but I don't think McGrath will be too concerned about that either. Galway were far from their best too, and mainly relied on Joe & Mannion to get them over the line, which they did. 

Cork, again, I have little or no idea. If I were a Cork supporter the one niggling question that would make me wonder is the fact Tipp were not at full strength last week, if Tipp had something to play for in that game, they would likely have won it & Cork would have been in a relegation game, I'm not sure they have improved all that much. 

I said Galway at the start of the league, so I'll stick with them, but Wexford are the form team of this year so far, while Limerick might benefit the most from winning it, after losing their first game V Wex, they have ended up in SF with little or nothing being said about them since. Tipp are still the best team in the country until someone proves otherwise, as for their league ambitions its just a matter of if they really decide to go all out for it, I'm not too sure they will. 
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Tom Devine has decided to go travelling for the summer and pulled out of the Waterford squad. Hard to know if he'll be missed much, never nailed down a starting position but good for a goal.
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Originally posted by Slow & Blind Slow & Blind wrote:

Tom Devine has decided to go travelling for the summer and pulled out of the Waterford squad. Hard to know if he'll be missed much, never nailed down a starting position but good for a goal.

He will be missed alright, mainly because we don't have another player like him. That isn't to say he would have been a starter either, but he would have seen game time in nearly all games in some role. Not always the best touch on the ball, and not a player for scavenging the ball when it was on the ground, but he had 2 things defenders hate, size & strength. Even if he never caught a ball or scored, defenders playing against him were going to have a difficult enough time of it in the physical stakes. 

And as you point out, good for a goal, we haven't had a forward since Dan packed it in in 2010 whose first instinct is always to go for the goal, Devine had this (so does Stephen Bennett to be fair) where Curran, Mahony, Brick, even Maurice etc will usually take the safer option of a point first. 

Reading his statement, and bearing in mind Tom is a medical student, who would presumably be trained to an extent to choose his words pretty carefully, I thought there was an air of finality about it, as in he wouldn't necessarily be back next year, but maybe I'm reading into that a bit much, time will tell. 
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Tom Devine will be a big loss and its up to him if he wants to come back. Other guys have to step up in his place now. Selector Philip Murphy has left the panel the week before the league QF due to personal reasons. Many suggesting the camp is failing apart in Waterford. Cant see Derek keeping the job unless we do very well in the Championship but on the other hand what other options are there, the Waterford County Board cant afford a big name manager ???. The Club championships start in Waterford this weekend and next and were coincidentally penciled in for the same weekends as the NHL semis and final at the start of the year ???

Anyway the division 1 league semi finals are on this week with Limerick taking on Galway and Tippeary taking on Davys Wexford. Can see Galway winning but Limerick with home advantage (why is it not in Thurles or Ennis ???) will be no pushovers. Have a feeling Wexford will shock us once again and beat Tipperary. Tipp are no fans of Nowlan Park after losing a 2015 Semi final to Waterford there and confidence is riding high in Wexford who already travelled to Nowlan Park and beat Kilkenny well

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Ya, it's all very amusing at the start, and the majority of the Wexford fans are probably enjoying his antics, mainly because yesterday aside, he has got the results to back it up. 

Somewhere later down the line, when results aren't going great, it gets tiresome enough after a while, ask any Clare or Waterford supporter . 
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Davy Fitz want's everyone to hate Wexford and to think the world is against them....

He's a scumbag and always has been, a small man with a big mouth.

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