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    Posted: 06 Nov 2017 at 11:15pm
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Joe Canning wasnt even Galway's best forward this year never mind HOTY. However as said above he was alway going to get it this year and hard to begrudge him. YHOTY a tight call. Whelan had an unreal start to the Champiobship before fading a bit and ending on a high. Coleman was quiet in his last game so on balance probably just abour a fair call.

Would have given Touhy an All Star too instead of Mannion but each to their own.
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In fairness it was probably the championships's stand out moment of brilliance, the point against Tipp. Was sitting right in front of him when he stroked that ball over the bar and very few players if any currently could have made it look as 'easy' as Canning did. On balance Barron probably deserved it but Joe does have that X factor!
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Many people felt the hurler of the year was Gearóid McInerney and he wasn't even included. 
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Yep, fully agree, but there is a history of this stuff happening and the allstars is a bit of a flawed concept anyway, politically, they do their best to get semi finalists represented, and while that is fair enough in one way, teams become unbalanced in another. 

Had Tipp's best player been a forward this year (say Callinan), he would have got in, Paraic Maher wouldn't have, but TDB and not a Tipp player would have got the allstar in the HB line, with a WD forward dropping out. That doesn't appear to make sense, but that is more or less what happens.  Mark Coleman owes his allstar to SOK getting picked over Nash, had Nash been picked on goal, a 3rd Cork player wouldn't have made the team and it would have been a WD one (TDB) instead. 

Its all a bit odd, but basically if a tight call goes the way of one team in one position, they will make the call the other way in the other tight call position to balance it out. 

HOTY- think people felt it was just Joe's turn, good luck to him. 
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For sure and I've no doubt that when most genuine Hurling fans saw Joe pick up the award most will say "look he probably deserved one at some point over the last decade" but is the award not based on how a player performed in 2017 solely and not say last year or a few years back LOL

I mean has Colm Cooper not been as influential in Gaelic Football as Joe Canning has in Hurling?

Yet, he never got FOTY despite being the best forward of his generation (imo)

All in all I don't begrudge Canning winning a HOTY award because he should have had one before 2017, but noway should it be the 2017 award. 



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Aye, no one more deserving than Canning for finally getting that celtic cross and the individual award when he probably should have got it a few times before.

Dont think anyone will really begrudge him either.

But if these things are to continue to mean something i think ye have to play it straight and it wasnt really vintage joe all year where Barron was consistently excellent
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Wouldn't be one for getting excited about these things, and I share your view that Barron is unquestionably the best hurler in the country. Think it was always going to be Joe, and really he did 2 things all year, took decent frees, a few sidelines, and that winning point V Tipp in the SF. That was what won it for him (along with winning the AI), or more accurately, the context of the point was what won it, a near impossible shot in injury time to get the winner that very few players could manage. Had he scored it in minute 2 and not minute 72, he wouldn't be hurler of the year. 

Don't really grudge him the award, possibly deserved over the course of what is now a long career, but in this case, it was more an award for past service than anything magnificent he did this year for Galway (bar that one point). A bit ironic that while he was carrying the team for years on his own, he never got the individual award, but got it when Galway had a formidable team that wasn't dependant on him and his contributions were arguably less, but that's the way it goes sometimes. 

I don't think we will see a repeat of last years Tipp hysteria over Callinan losing out, and mainly that is because to the casual fan, Barron remains strangely underrated, even though he is picking up his 2nd all star. A few WD friends of mine were adamant that Moran should have got it, there are many good things about Kevin, a warrior, a leader, an athlete, but he is nowhere near as good a hurler as the other 2.
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Aye. I dont think that anyone who has ever seen an ash plank being swung at leather before couldnt say Jamie Barron wasn't the hurler of the year.

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Joe Canning HOTY Pinch

Typical GAA anyway, looking at a players past exploits or profile instead of the main reason!!! How he hurled during the year Angry

Joe Canning has been one of the best players of his generation no question and I was delighted he finally won an All-Ireland but ffs you wouldn't even have him in the top 5 best hurlers this year, never mind winning the HOTY. 

It would have been Jamie Barron (first pick by a mile) or Gearoid McInerney for me.




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Originally posted by reddladd reddladd wrote:

5 Waterford lads with All Stars.

Always going to be arguments to and for however I don't thik there are any glaring omissions. Brick and Moran were no brainers as was Barron.

Any complaints Deise?

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Nah, not really, I wasn't too far off in the earlier nominations post, strictly speaking Mannion shouldn't be where he is, as he didn't play in the corner once all year, Tuohy did, and I knew that if Coleman got one, TDB would be off the list. Delighted for O'Keefe to get the recognition, Nash is a bit of a media creation, or more accurately, his puckouts are. He drove 4 or 5 of them over the sideline V us in the SF, while in the stats that matter, SOK let in 3 goals in 7 games, Nash let in 6 in 4 games. 

Think Coleman is lucky enough, while a brilliant talent, he had 2 good games and had little influence n the SF. For Galway, there just wasn't enough room for both Tuohy & Mannion and Joseph Cooney also very unlucky to miss out on what must have been a tight call. 



[QUOTE=deise316]I'll have a go at it anyway. 

1 Stephen O'Keefe  (Most clean sheets, a few excellent saves, still might not be enough to get him ahead of Nash though, as the media are obsessed by his puckouts)

2 Adrian Tuohy
3 Daithi Burke
4 Noel Connors
5 Tadgh De Burca (no sweeper on this selection, could be that Aidan Harte gets in here instead)
6 Gearoid McInerney
7 Padraic Maher (Usually the semi finalists get at least one, Maher was Tipps best player, so think he will be fitted in here, Mark Coleman the one losing out, maybe even Conor Gleeson had he not got himself sent off for stupidity in SF)

8 Jamie Barron
9 David Burke

10 Kevin Moran (though played most games in midfield)
11 Joe Canning
12 Brick Walsh (feeling he might sneak in here as some kind of reward for being a great servant to the GAA type thing)
13 Conor Whelan
14 Joseph Cooney (if not him, then namesake Conor)
15 Pa Horgan

Galway 7, WD 6, Tipp 1, Cork 1. 

Don't think WD will actually end up with 6 though, one or 2 of SOK, TDB & Brick will probably lose out to a Galway player, just not sure which ones. If the lads decide their one Cork player is Nash & not Horgan, SOK will lose out to effectively a Galway forward, if they decide it's Coleman, TDB goes and so on. 

Hurler of the year- Jamie Barron, don't care who wins the award, hurler of the year is still Jamie Barron. 

Young Hurler- Mark Coleman had this in the bag at the QF stage, one quiet SF later and it might be enough to tip it in Conor Whelan's favour. 
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Which he should. 
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Originally posted by Healy52003 Healy52003 wrote:

Enjoyed the show Monday night, not nice viewing from a waterford prospective but better team won. That Kevin Moran missed point in the 2nd half to put us 2 up really changed the game

Very happy to have 5 Waterford all stars big congrats to them
And too the rest of the all stars. Can see Joe canning and Connor whelan collecting the Poty awards
What you really mean is that Jamie Barron will win player of the year!

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Enjoyed the show Monday night, not nice viewing from a waterford prospective but better team won. That Kevin Moran missed point in the 2nd half to put us 2 up really changed the game

Very happy to have 5 Waterford all stars big congrats to them
And too the rest of the all stars. Can see Joe canning and Connor whelan collecting the Poty awards
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Originally posted by reddladd reddladd wrote:

Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

Decent programme on RTE 1 there about the hurling final, a bit of a behind the scenes look at match day featuring some commentators & the stadium controller. We lost this time as well unfortunately. 

Interesting bit was they miked the referee Fergal Horgan, who came across very well as regards how he tried to run the game. Never knew meself that the sideline official had so much influence, he was telling him over the mike ' you need to speak to white 3' (Barry Coughlan) ' holding jersey off the ball' and such, and even going as far to tell him where he should be on the pitch position wise at times. Worth a look, if it pops up on the RTE player again. 




I was surprised myself how much communication there was between officials. I think the umpires were miked up also. Fergal Horan was the star of the show by a long way and a great insight albeit there was a football equivalent with Philly McMahon whinging 'it's always the back'.

Horan was very clear in his explaination of why he gave free's etc. You realise watching it how close Waterford actually came to winning it. That missed free late on and the 2 point turnaround.
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I saw a similar programme last year about the football final which showed the pre-match preparations behind the scenes eg referee (again miked up), commentators and showing them in action during the game etc.  It was pretty good as well.
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5 Waterford lads with All Stars.

Always going to be arguments to and for however I don't thik there are any glaring omissions. Brick and Moran were no brainers as was Barron.

Any complaints Deise?
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