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Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

http://https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/feb/14/declan-rice-england-republic-of-ireland-identity
It isn't the most beautifully written piece, but she sums up the issue pretty well.
 
A rock solid interpretation of events. A least the FAI left no stone unturned blah blah blah....


Originally posted by Eni Aluko Eni Aluko wrote:

But let’s say he was offered the chance to leave West Ham and play for a bigger club such as Manchester United, Manchester City or Liverpool, there would not be the same outcry. What is the difference?


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Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by fochie fochie wrote:

I can see both sides,what it boils down to is maybe International football isnt what it once was.
The game has changed and with it the sentimental value of representing your country becoming 
more scarce.Its down to a matter of opinion of which imo KKs is the valid one.


Football mirrors society. National identity has been changed or eroded, particularly in western Europe, for good or bad. See Brexit. More than that, many more people now have more than one identity. Rice has a clear emotional connection to two countries and when forced into making a choice, chose with his head. It is more than possible his heart was divided, everything points to that.
Killer seems incapable of realising that not everybody grew up in a fully Irish family in Lancashire, totally immersed in Irish culture. The world has changed. Irish identity in England has changed. We are no longer feared or reviled, that job has been taken on by Muslims and the EU. Kids from  Irish families  aren't different. They don't spend Sundays being dragged to mass by Grandmothers and drinking Club Orange in Irish clubs and centres.  Should I have kids here they will grow up with two identities, should they be good at sport they too will have a choice. I certainly wouldn't force them to do anything. That's what Declan Rice had to do.
I admire Kilbane's passion and love for Ireland and the national team,but he has acute myopia in this instance.
Rice clearly didn't grow up immersed in Irish culture
Exactly. You are getting it,f**king slowly mind you!
You're only picking out the bit that's suits you. Rice doesn't have any emotional connection to Ireland he only has a an emotional connection to England. Wonder what your problem is with Irish centres as you've mentioned them a good few times before on here. 
The irony.LOL

Why doesn't Rice have any emotional connection to Ireland?All available evidence suggests he has. Unless, of course, he is a talented actor as well as a talented footballer.

I have no problem with Irish centres, how you have managed to mangle that from my posts is baffling. The reason I have mentioned them is I have drank in them, at times regularly, over here. They are not what they were before my time here. In many ways they are a relic of a time when being both Irish and English was incompatible, when second generation lads would have spent Sundays in these places as a child and had their first pint in them. They are dying out. 
I was in Nottingham last month, the last time I was there I drank in the huge Irish centre there, so I walked past and found it closed and empty. 
You were in Nottingham last month that's mad you're never off this thing. Beginning to think you got a bad beating in an Irish centre such is your dislike for them
There you have it! The stupidest post on the stupidest thread on the internet. Take a bow.LOL
i think the stupidest post on the internet was someone saying they were leaving a forum for good and they were back within a month.
That's the best you can do? A lame personal insult because of your inability to comprehend basic English! I can see how you got the name, Trigger!
You started the insults but can't take one back.Now get off the forum like you said you were doing and stop annoying people. i reckon you've drove people away from the forum and that's why they don't come on here anymore.
No, you started making it personal.  I merely said that you failed to grasp basic English and that that failure was stupid. It wasn't an insult, but an observation based on the post. Afterwards, I made an insult.

I mentioned the demise of Irish Centres and clubs in England as part of the change in how the Irish community in England socialise. Given the topic at hand I felt it was relevant, especially as it is an area of Irish culture and community in England that I have experienced a lot. I have been a member of a couple and enjoyed many more.
From that, you manged to come to the conclusion that I had something against them and, even more preposterously, that I got a "bad beating in an Irish centre such is my dislike for them". Given most of the regulars in them are twice my age and, for the most part, lovely old duffers, I can assure you I have never even had a cross word in one.

If you are getting annoyed, I would suggest that you are the one who needs to get off it. Take a few minutes to think of the bigger picture. This is merely a place to talk about football and have what the kids call 'bantz'. 

I'll leave aside the butchering of English language in your last sentence, but what other people do or don't do is none of my concern. If people leave a forum because of what another member says, then I am not sure if the understood their purpose.

If you are getting annoyed, or find other people that have opinions really different from yours annoying, throw the phone and laptop away, turn off the telly, lock the doors and shout at the walls. Not the poster though. He seems like quite a likeable and intelligent chap and might point out the stupidity of such actions. Alright, Dave?

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Originally posted by Sullivinho Sullivinho wrote:

Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/feb/14/declan-rice-england-republic-of-ireland-identity
It isn't the most beautifully written piece, but she sums up the issue pretty well.
 
A rock solid interpretation of events. A least the FAI left no stone unturned blah blah blah....


Originally posted by Eni Aluko Eni Aluko wrote:

But let’s say he was offered the chance to leave West Ham and play for a bigger club such as Manchester United, Manchester City or Liverpool, there would not be the same outcry. What is the difference?


LOL
Read the full article. It is badly written, but her argument holds up. The next piece after the above, to give it context for those that haven't read it:

Perhaps I’m just looking at an emotional topic of nationality too objectively. I know people see representing one’s country as very different to playing for your club but it’s not as if Rice has chosen to play for Brazil because they are the best team in the world. He is as English as he is Irish and has chosen to play for England. Does it make you more English because you are born in England? Are we going to start tracing bloodlines now to decide whether a player should or should not represent their country? I struggle to understand why many in football get so upset about dual nationality.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by fochie fochie wrote:

I can see both sides,what it boils down to is maybe International football isnt what it once was.
The game has changed and with it the sentimental value of representing your country becoming 
more scarce.Its down to a matter of opinion of which imo KKs is the valid one.


Football mirrors society. National identity has been changed or eroded, particularly in western Europe, for good or bad. See Brexit. More than that, many more people now have more than one identity. Rice has a clear emotional connection to two countries and when forced into making a choice, chose with his head. It is more than possible his heart was divided, everything points to that.
Killer seems incapable of realising that not everybody grew up in a fully Irish family in Lancashire, totally immersed in Irish culture. The world has changed. Irish identity in England has changed. We are no longer feared or reviled, that job has been taken on by Muslims and the EU. Kids from  Irish families  aren't different. They don't spend Sundays being dragged to mass by Grandmothers and drinking Club Orange in Irish clubs and centres.  Should I have kids here they will grow up with two identities, should they be good at sport they too will have a choice. I certainly wouldn't force them to do anything. That's what Declan Rice had to do.
I admire Kilbane's passion and love for Ireland and the national team,but he has acute myopia in this instance.
Rice clearly didn't grow up immersed in Irish culture
Exactly. You are getting it,f**king slowly mind you!
You're only picking out the bit that's suits you. Rice doesn't have any emotional connection to Ireland he only has a an emotional connection to England. Wonder what your problem is with Irish centres as you've mentioned them a good few times before on here. 
The irony.LOL

Why doesn't Rice have any emotional connection to Ireland?All available evidence suggests he has. Unless, of course, he is a talented actor as well as a talented footballer.

I have no problem with Irish centres, how you have managed to mangle that from my posts is baffling. The reason I have mentioned them is I have drank in them, at times regularly, over here. They are not what they were before my time here. In many ways they are a relic of a time when being both Irish and English was incompatible, when second generation lads would have spent Sundays in these places as a child and had their first pint in them. They are dying out. 
I was in Nottingham last month, the last time I was there I drank in the huge Irish centre there, so I walked past and found it closed and empty. 
You were in Nottingham last month that's mad you're never off this thing. Beginning to think you got a bad beating in an Irish centre such is your dislike for them
There you have it! The stupidest post on the stupidest thread on the internet. Take a bow.LOL
i think the stupidest post on the internet was someone saying they were leaving a forum for good and they were back within a month.
That's the best you can do? A lame personal insult because of your inability to comprehend basic English! I can see how you got the name, Trigger!
You started the insults but can't take one back.Now get off the forum like you said you were doing and stop annoying people. i reckon you've drove people away from the forum and that's why they don't come on here anymore.
No, you started making it personal.  I merely said that you failed to grasp basic English and that that failure was stupid. It wasn't an insult, but an observation based on the post. Afterwards, I made an insult.

I mentioned the demise of Irish Centres and clubs in England as part of the change in how the Irish community in England socialise. Given the topic at hand I felt it was relevant, especially as it is an area of Irish culture and community in England that I have experienced a lot. I have been a member of a couple and enjoyed many more.
From that, you manged to come to the conclusion that I had something against them and, even more preposterously, that I got a "bad beating in an Irish centre such is my dislike for them". Given most of the regulars in them are twice my age and, for the most part, lovely old duffers, I can assure you I have never even had a cross word in one.

If you are getting annoyed, I would suggest that you are the one who needs to get off it. Take a few minutes to think of the bigger picture. This is merely a place to talk about football and have what the kids call 'bantz'. 

I'll leave aside the butchering of English language in your last sentence, but what other people do or don't do is none of my concern. If people leave a forum because of what another member says, then I am not sure if the understood their purpose.

If you are getting annoyed, or find other people that have opinions really different from yours annoying, throw the phone and laptop away, turn off the telly, lock the doors and shout at the walls. Not the poster though. He seems like quite a likeable and intelligent chap and might point out the stupidity of such actions. Alright, Dave?

The grammar police department of your strange mind out in force today anyway! Nothing new there! Take a look back you made the first insult but maybe you can't see that! As previously said you should leave the forum as you seem to have to be right everytime. You clearly won't leave the forum probably the same way as you were probably told to leave an Irish centre one night but kept mouthing off and some big church going Gaa player f**ked you out the door hence your hatred for the Catholic Church and Gaa aswell! Now away with you most of us have had enough of your condescending bullsh*t

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Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by fochie fochie wrote:

I can see both sides,what it boils down to is maybe International football isnt what it once was.
The game has changed and with it the sentimental value of representing your country becoming 
more scarce.Its down to a matter of opinion of which imo KKs is the valid one.


Football mirrors society. National identity has been changed or eroded, particularly in western Europe, for good or bad. See Brexit. More than that, many more people now have more than one identity. Rice has a clear emotional connection to two countries and when forced into making a choice, chose with his head. It is more than possible his heart was divided, everything points to that.
Killer seems incapable of realising that not everybody grew up in a fully Irish family in Lancashire, totally immersed in Irish culture. The world has changed. Irish identity in England has changed. We are no longer feared or reviled, that job has been taken on by Muslims and the EU. Kids from  Irish families  aren't different. They don't spend Sundays being dragged to mass by Grandmothers and drinking Club Orange in Irish clubs and centres.  Should I have kids here they will grow up with two identities, should they be good at sport they too will have a choice. I certainly wouldn't force them to do anything. That's what Declan Rice had to do.
I admire Kilbane's passion and love for Ireland and the national team,but he has acute myopia in this instance.
Rice clearly didn't grow up immersed in Irish culture
Exactly. You are getting it,f**king slowly mind you!
You're only picking out the bit that's suits you. Rice doesn't have any emotional connection to Ireland he only has a an emotional connection to England. Wonder what your problem is with Irish centres as you've mentioned them a good few times before on here. 
The irony.LOL

Why doesn't Rice have any emotional connection to Ireland?All available evidence suggests he has. Unless, of course, he is a talented actor as well as a talented footballer.

I have no problem with Irish centres, how you have managed to mangle that from my posts is baffling. The reason I have mentioned them is I have drank in them, at times regularly, over here. They are not what they were before my time here. In many ways they are a relic of a time when being both Irish and English was incompatible, when second generation lads would have spent Sundays in these places as a child and had their first pint in them. They are dying out. 
I was in Nottingham last month, the last time I was there I drank in the huge Irish centre there, so I walked past and found it closed and empty. 
You were in Nottingham last month that's mad you're never off this thing. Beginning to think you got a bad beating in an Irish centre such is your dislike for them
There you have it! The stupidest post on the stupidest thread on the internet. Take a bow.LOL
i think the stupidest post on the internet was someone saying they were leaving a forum for good and they were back within a month.
That's the best you can do? A lame personal insult because of your inability to comprehend basic English! I can see how you got the name, Trigger!
You started the insults but can't take one back.Now get off the forum like you said you were doing and stop annoying people. i reckon you've drove people away from the forum and that's why they don't come on here anymore.
No, you started making it personal.  I merely said that you failed to grasp basic English and that that failure was stupid. It wasn't an insult, but an observation based on the post. Afterwards, I made an insult.

I mentioned the demise of Irish Centres and clubs in England as part of the change in how the Irish community in England socialise. Given the topic at hand I felt it was relevant, especially as it is an area of Irish culture and community in England that I have experienced a lot. I have been a member of a couple and enjoyed many more.
From that, you manged to come to the conclusion that I had something against them and, even more preposterously, that I got a "bad beating in an Irish centre such is my dislike for them". Given most of the regulars in them are twice my age and, for the most part, lovely old duffers, I can assure you I have never even had a cross word in one.

If you are getting annoyed, I would suggest that you are the one who needs to get off it. Take a few minutes to think of the bigger picture. This is merely a place to talk about football and have what the kids call 'bantz'. 

I'll leave aside the butchering of English language in your last sentence, but what other people do or don't do is none of my concern. If people leave a forum because of what another member says, then I am not sure if the understood their purpose.

If you are getting annoyed, or find other people that have opinions really different from yours annoying, throw the phone and laptop away, turn off the telly, lock the doors and shout at the walls. Not the poster though. He seems like quite a likeable and intelligent chap and might point out the stupidity of such actions. Alright, Dave?

The grammar police department of your strange mind out in force today anyway! Nothing new there! Take a look back you made the first insult but maybe you can't see that! As previously said you should leave the forum as you seem to have to be right everytime. You clearly won't leave the forum probably the same was as you were probably told to leave an Irish centre one night but kept mouthing off and some big church going Gaa player f**ked you out the door hence your hatred for the Catholic Church and Gaa aswell! Now away with you most of us have had enough of your condesnding bullsh*t
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Sullivinho Sullivinho wrote:

Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/feb/14/declan-rice-england-republic-of-ireland-identity
It isn't the most beautifully written piece, but she sums up the issue pretty well.
 
A rock solid interpretation of events. A least the FAI left no stone unturned blah blah blah....


Originally posted by Eni Aluko Eni Aluko wrote:

But let’s say he was offered the chance to leave West Ham and play for a bigger club such as Manchester United, Manchester City or Liverpool, there would not be the same outcry. What is the difference?


LOL
Read the full article. It is badly written, but her argument holds up. The next piece after the above, to give it context for those that haven't read it:

Perhaps I’m just looking at an emotional topic of nationality too objectively. I know people see representing one’s country as very different to playing for your club but it’s not as if Rice has chosen to play for Brazil because they are the best team in the world. He is as English as he is Irish and has chosen to play for England. Does it make you more English because you are born in England? Are we going to start tracing bloodlines now to decide whether a player should or should not represent their country? I struggle to understand why many in football get so upset about dual nationality.


Correct on both counts. Clap

Her next piece is a non-emotional plea to FIFA to add an extra berth at Quatar 2022 for the Club World Cup winners.

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Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by fochie fochie wrote:

I can see both sides,what it boils down to is maybe International football isnt what it once was.
The game has changed and with it the sentimental value of representing your country becoming 
more scarce.Its down to a matter of opinion of which imo KKs is the valid one.


Football mirrors society. National identity has been changed or eroded, particularly in western Europe, for good or bad. See Brexit. More than that, many more people now have more than one identity. Rice has a clear emotional connection to two countries and when forced into making a choice, chose with his head. It is more than possible his heart was divided, everything points to that.
Killer seems incapable of realising that not everybody grew up in a fully Irish family in Lancashire, totally immersed in Irish culture. The world has changed. Irish identity in England has changed. We are no longer feared or reviled, that job has been taken on by Muslims and the EU. Kids from  Irish families  aren't different. They don't spend Sundays being dragged to mass by Grandmothers and drinking Club Orange in Irish clubs and centres.  Should I have kids here they will grow up with two identities, should they be good at sport they too will have a choice. I certainly wouldn't force them to do anything. That's what Declan Rice had to do.
I admire Kilbane's passion and love for Ireland and the national team,but he has acute myopia in this instance.
Rice clearly didn't grow up immersed in Irish culture
Exactly. You are getting it,f**king slowly mind you!
You're only picking out the bit that's suits you. Rice doesn't have any emotional connection to Ireland he only has a an emotional connection to England. Wonder what your problem is with Irish centres as you've mentioned them a good few times before on here. 
The irony.LOL

Why doesn't Rice have any emotional connection to Ireland?All available evidence suggests he has. Unless, of course, he is a talented actor as well as a talented footballer.

I have no problem with Irish centres, how you have managed to mangle that from my posts is baffling. The reason I have mentioned them is I have drank in them, at times regularly, over here. They are not what they were before my time here. In many ways they are a relic of a time when being both Irish and English was incompatible, when second generation lads would have spent Sundays in these places as a child and had their first pint in them. They are dying out. 
I was in Nottingham last month, the last time I was there I drank in the huge Irish centre there, so I walked past and found it closed and empty. 
You were in Nottingham last month that's mad you're never off this thing. Beginning to think you got a bad beating in an Irish centre such is your dislike for them
There you have it! The stupidest post on the stupidest thread on the internet. Take a bow.LOL
i think the stupidest post on the internet was someone saying they were leaving a forum for good and they were back within a month.
That's the best you can do? A lame personal insult because of your inability to comprehend basic English! I can see how you got the name, Trigger!
You started the insults but can't take one back.Now get off the forum like you said you were doing and stop annoying people. i reckon you've drove people away from the forum and that's why they don't come on here anymore.
No, you started making it personal.  I merely said that you failed to grasp basic English and that that failure was stupid. It wasn't an insult, but an observation based on the post. Afterwards, I made an insult.

I mentioned the demise of Irish Centres and clubs in England as part of the change in how the Irish community in England socialise. Given the topic at hand I felt it was relevant, especially as it is an area of Irish culture and community in England that I have experienced a lot. I have been a member of a couple and enjoyed many more.
From that, you manged to come to the conclusion that I had something against them and, even more preposterously, that I got a "bad beating in an Irish centre such is my dislike for them". Given most of the regulars in them are twice my age and, for the most part, lovely old duffers, I can assure you I have never even had a cross word in one.

If you are getting annoyed, I would suggest that you are the one who needs to get off it. Take a few minutes to think of the bigger picture. This is merely a place to talk about football and have what the kids call 'bantz'. 

I'll leave aside the butchering of English language in your last sentence, but what other people do or don't do is none of my concern. If people leave a forum because of what another member says, then I am not sure if the understood their purpose.

If you are getting annoyed, or find other people that have opinions really different from yours annoying, throw the phone and laptop away, turn off the telly, lock the doors and shout at the walls. Not the poster though. He seems like quite a likeable and intelligent chap and might point out the stupidity of such actions. Alright, Dave?

The grammar police department of your strange mind out in force today anyway! Nothing new there! Take a look back you made the first insult but maybe you can't see that! As previously said you should leave the forum as you seem to have to be right everytime. You clearly won't leave the forum probably the same was as you were probably told to leave an Irish centre one night but kept mouthing off and some big church going Gaa player f**ked you out the door hence your hatred for the Catholic Church and Gaa aswell! Now away with you most of us have had enough of your condesnding bullsh*t
Brilliant. LOLLOLLOL
Had to nick that as my signature, shame I couldn't use it all.
You're still here. Fairly relentless but these forums are so important to you so that probably explains it 

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I can see both sides,what it boils down to is maybe International football isnt what it once was.
The game has changed and with it the sentimental value of representing your country becoming 
more scarce.Its down to a matter of opinion of which imo KKs is the valid one.


Football mirrors society. National identity has been changed or eroded, particularly in western Europe, for good or bad. See Brexit. More than that, many more people now have more than one identity. Rice has a clear emotional connection to two countries and when forced into making a choice, chose with his head. It is more than possible his heart was divided, everything points to that.
Killer seems incapable of realising that not everybody grew up in a fully Irish family in Lancashire, totally immersed in Irish culture. The world has changed. Irish identity in England has changed. We are no longer feared or reviled, that job has been taken on by Muslims and the EU. Kids from  Irish families  aren't different. They don't spend Sundays being dragged to mass by Grandmothers and drinking Club Orange in Irish clubs and centres.  Should I have kids here they will grow up with two identities, should they be good at sport they too will have a choice. I certainly wouldn't force them to do anything. That's what Declan Rice had to do.
I admire Kilbane's passion and love for Ireland and the national team,but he has acute myopia in this instance.
Rice clearly didn't grow up immersed in Irish culture
Exactly. You are getting it,f**king slowly mind you!
You're only picking out the bit that's suits you. Rice doesn't have any emotional connection to Ireland he only has a an emotional connection to England. Wonder what your problem is with Irish centres as you've mentioned them a good few times before on here. 
The irony.LOL

Why doesn't Rice have any emotional connection to Ireland?All available evidence suggests he has. Unless, of course, he is a talented actor as well as a talented footballer.

I have no problem with Irish centres, how you have managed to mangle that from my posts is baffling. The reason I have mentioned them is I have drank in them, at times regularly, over here. They are not what they were before my time here. In many ways they are a relic of a time when being both Irish and English was incompatible, when second generation lads would have spent Sundays in these places as a child and had their first pint in them. They are dying out. 
I was in Nottingham last month, the last time I was there I drank in the huge Irish centre there, so I walked past and found it closed and empty. 
You were in Nottingham last month that's mad you're never off this thing. Beginning to think you got a bad beating in an Irish centre such is your dislike for them
There you have it! The stupidest post on the stupidest thread on the internet. Take a bow.LOL
i think the stupidest post on the internet was someone saying they were leaving a forum for good and they were back within a month.
That's the best you can do? A lame personal insult because of your inability to comprehend basic English! I can see how you got the name, Trigger!
You started the insults but can't take one back.Now get off the forum like you said you were doing and stop annoying people. i reckon you've drove people away from the forum and that's why they don't come on here anymore.
No, you started making it personal.  I merely said that you failed to grasp basic English and that that failure was stupid. It wasn't an insult, but an observation based on the post. Afterwards, I made an insult.

I mentioned the demise of Irish Centres and clubs in England as part of the change in how the Irish community in England socialise. Given the topic at hand I felt it was relevant, especially as it is an area of Irish culture and community in England that I have experienced a lot. I have been a member of a couple and enjoyed many more.
From that, you manged to come to the conclusion that I had something against them and, even more preposterously, that I got a "bad beating in an Irish centre such is my dislike for them". Given most of the regulars in them are twice my age and, for the most part, lovely old duffers, I can assure you I have never even had a cross word in one.

If you are getting annoyed, I would suggest that you are the one who needs to get off it. Take a few minutes to think of the bigger picture. This is merely a place to talk about football and have what the kids call 'bantz'. 

I'll leave aside the butchering of English language in your last sentence, but what other people do or don't do is none of my concern. If people leave a forum because of what another member says, then I am not sure if the understood their purpose.

If you are getting annoyed, or find other people that have opinions really different from yours annoying, throw the phone and laptop away, turn off the telly, lock the doors and shout at the walls. Not the poster though. He seems like quite a likeable and intelligent chap and might point out the stupidity of such actions. Alright, Dave?

The grammar police department of your strange mind out in force today anyway! Nothing new there! Take a look back you made the first insult but maybe you can't see that! As previously said you should leave the forum as you seem to have to be right everytime. You clearly won't leave the forum probably the same was as you were probably told to leave an Irish centre one night but kept mouthing off and some big church going Gaa player f**ked you out the door hence your hatred for the Catholic Church and Gaa aswell! Now away with you most of us have had enough of your condesnding bullsh*t
Brilliant. LOLLOLLOL
Had to nick that as my signature, shame I couldn't use it all.
You're still here. Fairly relentless but these forums are so important to you so that probably explains it 
You ok hun? xxxx
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This thread LOL LOL  LOL  
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Good for you, but your kids won't . 'countries' like yours come and go, and the sooner the better kid. Thumbs Up
Aye, that's what they used to tell my Da.

And his Da, too. LOL
. Those demographic changes aren't looking too good pal. The unionist side having less kids and the youth more likely to emigrate. I'm happy for you if you die in the UK but your grand kids won't. Your kids probably won't either. 
I'm not going to go full-on political on this (or any other) thread.

But you're way behind with your demographics etc.

For wasn't it respected psephologist* and academic Prof. Brendan O'Leary who in 2009 discounted the idea that Catholics would soon somehow outbreed Protestants and use their numbers to vote for a united Ireland, of which he saw no prospect "in the foreseeable future".

The fact he said this as a guest speaker at a Sinn Fein conference must have caused their PR spin merchants to sh*t themselves LOL. But for all that they wiped the tapes and, er, "advised" the journo's present as to what he really meant, the Irish Times was able to spill the beans. (No mention of it on An Phoblacht, funnily enough, even though the conference got copious coverage otherwise!)

So there you have it, here endeth the lesson for today.




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Jaysus it's all kicking off on here. Can yis stop block quoting eachother ffs, don't need the wall of text when I'm trying to see the latest insult/retort.
 
 
 
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 Maybe it didnt help that theres a certain section of our support whom turn there noses up at the nordies, second generation or generally anyone who doesnt have a broad irish twang, but god forbid when one of them turns there back on us LOL
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Originally posted by armahibee armahibee wrote:

 Maybe it didnt help that theres a certain section of our support whom turn there noses up at the nordies, second generation or generally anyone who doesnt have a broad irish twang, but god forbid when one of them turns there back on us LOL

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Their back.
& capitalise Irish while you are at it, bit of respect like.
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