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Hows o'shea doing?Robinson seems to be completely out of the picture at the moment 

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Originally posted by aviva8 aviva8 wrote:

Hows o'shea doing?Robinson seems to be completely out of the picture at the moment 

And yet he makes it into a lot people's Ireland 11. Sad state of affairs we've found ourselves in.
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

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I have my doubts that Connolly is going to make it at this level long-term but I'd say his goalscoring record is pretty identical to Maupay when you factor in minutes played and take out the penalties Maupay pads out his record with.

Maupay can go months without scoring or playing well and not get dropped. At least Connolly can go back on the bench to be an unused sub in their next game and use that as an excuse for why his confidence is shot.

Maupay has scored 7.

The fact is that. If Connolly plays every game - his minutes per goal rate with just continue to deteriorate.

 


Kind of like Maupay's continues to deteriorate. 7 in last 45 for Maupay from open play. 5 in last 40 for Connolly from open play. And Maupay has played over twice as many minutes.

Connolly's miss was sh*te. It was harder to miss than it was to score. But as Welbeck's penalty miss just now shows, their problems in front of goal are symptomatic of a greater issue than just Connolly.
When you can’t put the ball in an open net on numerous occasions the blame is squarely on his shoulders.
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I think Potter has to shoulder a lot of the blame for Brightons issues in front of goal, he seems to get a lot of praise for his ability as a manager but ultimately he has the team set up in a way that doesn't allow for scoring goals.
They are all hard work and movement outside the box but by the time they get the ball in front of goal nobody is in position to score, or if they are in there they are wrecked and can't set themselves to take advantage
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Originally posted by King_Kenny King_Kenny wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

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I have my doubts that Connolly is going to make it at this level long-term but I'd say his goalscoring record is pretty identical to Maupay when you factor in minutes played and take out the penalties Maupay pads out his record with.

Maupay can go months without scoring or playing well and not get dropped. At least Connolly can go back on the bench to be an unused sub in their next game and use that as an excuse for why his confidence is shot.

Maupay has scored 7.

The fact is that. If Connolly plays every game - his minutes per goal rate with just continue to deteriorate.

 


Kind of like Maupay's continues to deteriorate. 7 in last 45 for Maupay from open play. 5 in last 40 for Connolly from open play. And Maupay has played over twice as many minutes.

Connolly's miss was sh*te. It was harder to miss than it was to score. But as Welbeck's penalty miss just now shows, their problems in front of goal are symptomatic of a greater issue than just Connolly.
When you can’t put the ball in an open net on numerous occasions the blame is squarely on his shoulders.


Connolly is becoming increasingly profligate, which we pay more attention to. Maupay has also been consistently wasteful in front of goal over the last several months. It's just confusing to me why Maupay is never taken out of the firing line and Connolly is in and out of the team like a yo-yo. I don't think himself and Connolly even work well together.

A loan to the Championship would've been more beneficial to Connolly than this indecisiveness.
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Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

Potter strikes me as the worst fears people have of Stephen Kenny. Knocking the ball around, but how much progress have they made compared to the Chris Hughton era?

BTW, my point isn't why bother try knock the ball around, it's that Potter is a bit of a charlatan. 

They're really lacking someone to put the ball in the net. In any  of their games I've seen recently, they've created more than enough chances to win games, but none of their strikers are able to take them.
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by King_Kenny King_Kenny wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

I have my doubts that Connolly is going to make it at this level long-term but I'd say his goalscoring record is pretty identical to Maupay when you factor in minutes played and take out the penalties Maupay pads out his record with.

Maupay can go months without scoring or playing well and not get dropped. At least Connolly can go back on the bench to be an unused sub in their next game and use that as an excuse for why his confidence is shot.

Maupay has scored 7.

The fact is that. If Connolly plays every game - his minutes per goal rate with just continue to deteriorate.

 


Kind of like Maupay's continues to deteriorate. 7 in last 45 for Maupay from open play. 5 in last 40 for Connolly from open play. And Maupay has played over twice as many minutes.

Connolly's miss was sh*te. It was harder to miss than it was to score. But as Welbeck's penalty miss just now shows, their problems in front of goal are symptomatic of a greater issue than just Connolly.
When you can’t put the ball in an open net on numerous occasions the blame is squarely on his shoulders.


Connolly is becoming increasingly profligate, which we pay more attention to. Maupay has also been consistently wasteful in front of goal over the last several months. It's just confusing to me why Maupay is never taken out of the firing line and Connolly is in and out of the team like a yo-yo. I don't think himself and Connolly even work well together.

A loan to the Championship would've been more beneficial to Connolly than this indecisiveness.

Cause when you have two equally wasteful strikers, the young gun tends to always get the chop first. No real serious level of logic is used to come to this decision.
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People are mistaking Connolly for a natural #9 which he is absolutely not, the only concrete #9 Brighton have in their squad is Maupay so the comparisons are completely unfair.
Potter requires his players to be versatile in their positions which Connolly is, he's served on the left as he's done for Ireland so far and he's also served behind the striker requiring him to close down on the left.

People are assuming he's their absolute vocal point of attack and should be scoring every week, his finishing needs to improve but he's not the next Robbie Keane people are expecting him to be. 

I think he's a very talented player and will be our main source of goals under the system Kenny plays, it probably doesn't fill people with hope based on the sitter's he's missed but he'll never be a centre forward for Ireland, much like Brighton he'll always be on the left.


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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

People are mistaking Connolly for a natural #9 which he is absolutely not, the only concrete #9 Brighton have in their squad is Maupay so the comparisons are completely unfair.
Potter requires his players to be versatile in their positions which Connolly is, he's served on the left as he's done for Ireland so far and he's also served behind the striker requiring him to close down on the left.

People are assuming he's their absolute vocal point of attack and should be scoring every week, his finishing needs to improve but he's not the next Robbie Keane people are expecting him to be. 

I think he's a very talented player and will be our main source of goals under the system Kenny plays, it probably doesn't fill people with hope based on the sitter's he's missed but he'll never be a centre forward for Ireland, much like Brighton he'll always be on the left.

Agreed on most of that, but forget about Keane, Aaron will be lucky to be a Shane Long. Having a goal drought is one thing but missing chances he has is disheartening. 

Is any forward in the Irish set trying to stake a claim?!
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Connolly is our best forward option but no excuses with missing sitters over the last few games, the good news is that parrott and scully are players playing regularly too, sadly goals are hard to come by.

Molumby may be better off in the Brighton u23s than sitting on the Preston bench. Not a good loan move so far and his progress seems to have stalled.

Robinson not getting a look in anymore but he's sitting on a premier league bench for now so could start in 4 weeks.

Idah maybe needs to follow suit with parrott and scully and get some game time in league 1.
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Shane Long has less of an excuse for a poor goal scoring record as he is an out and out centre forward.

I always viewed Connolly as more of a wing forward. I think it's a waste with him playing in the centre if he's up there on his own for Ireland. 

It's just a pity he's missing clear chances he should be burying. Once he gets a goal, hopefully he'll start putting those sitters away. He's capable of getting into the right positions which is somewhat positive.  
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

I have my doubts that Connolly is going to make it at this level long-term but I'd say his goalscoring record is pretty identical to Maupay when you factor in minutes played and take out the penalties Maupay pads out his record with.

Maupay can go months without scoring or playing well and not get dropped.
Dunno anything about Connolly, but the point about Maupay is that's he's desperate to learn, which means he's continually improving.

He was v.highly rated as a youngster at Nice (numerous under-age caps), but he got badly injured, then fell out with Claude Puel(!), so he went to St.Etienne. When he wasn't getting games there, he dropped down to L2 on loan to Brest, where people began to take notice again.

He had a few clubs interested inc Brighton, who had just been promoted to the PL and were offering higher wages. But he signed for Brentford for £1.6m, because he felt they were better for him at that stage of his career.

He struggled to adapt to England in his first season at GP but stuck with it, scoring 28 goals and being POTY in his second season, causing Brighton to come back and sign him for £20m.

He's not been so prolific at the Amex, which could mean the Championship was his true level, though I personally would still back him.

But if he doesn't make it, it won't be for want of trying. Other players could learn from him. He's a niggly bastard too! LOL


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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Shane Long has less of an excuse for a poor goal scoring record as he is an out and out centre forward.

I always viewed Connolly as more of a wing forward. I think it's a waste with him playing in the centre if he's up there on his own for Ireland. 

It's just a pity he's missing clear chances he should be burying. Once he gets a goal, hopefully he'll start putting those sitters away. He's capable of getting into the right positions which is somewhat positive.  


When Graziano Pelle was at Southampton, Long played on either wing or behind the striker quite a bit. And he still managed 15 goals in 39 starts. Before that, he had a more than respectable goalscoring record, netting roughly 1 in every 3 starts just at PL level. Peak numbers that any of our forwards would honestly kill for, and better than anyone since Robbie Keane (Doyle had the best season individually, but far less longevity).

His goalscoring record has fallen off a cliff since, arguably, his best season in the buildup to Euro 2016, but he's only made a combined total of 53 starts and 12 goals - which STILL represents a better goalscoring record for minutes played than Collins/Idah/Connolly/Robinson/Parrott or any other option we have, sometimes substantially so.

If someone goes 20-25 games without scoring it's going to look bad but if half of those appearances are 5 minute cameos, it's naturally going to distort things.


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The abuse he received after the miss against spurs and spoofer potter leaving him out and than starting him and regardless how he play whips him off first every time, his confidence especially after today again is rock bottom for such a young player.  Having said all that he shouldn't be missing sitters like he did today but a confident Connolly would finish that chance in his sleep.
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Originally posted by aviva8 aviva8 wrote:

The abuse he received after the miss against spurs and spoofer potter leaving him out and than starting him and regardless how he play whips him off first every time, his confidence especially after today again is rock bottom for such a young player.  Having said all that he shouldn't be missing sitters like he did today but a confident Connolly would finish that chance in his sleep.

Theres no evidence to suggest this at senior level proven himself to be a good player no doubt but not a goalscorer or finisher
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He needs a bit of luck if he wasn't low in confidence he would of side footed it in, Might not have counted anyways which isn't the point as Mupaay looked like he handled it in the lead up..
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Originally posted by PMc10 PMc10 wrote:

He needs a bit of luck if he wasn't low in confidence he would of side footed it in, Might not have counted anyways which isn't the point as Mupaay looked like he handled it in the lead up..


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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

People are mistaking Connolly for a natural #9 which he is absolutely not, the only concrete #9 Brighton have in their squad is Maupay so the comparisons are completely unfair.
Potter requires his players to be versatile in their positions which Connolly is, he's served on the left as he's done for Ireland so far and he's also served behind the striker requiring him to close down on the left.

People are assuming he's their absolute vocal point of attack and should be scoring every week, his finishing needs to improve but he's not the next Robbie Keane people are expecting him to be. 

I think he's a very talented player and will be our main source of goals under the system Kenny plays, it probably doesn't fill people with hope based on the sitter's he's missed but he'll never be a centre forward for Ireland, much like Brighton he'll always be on the left.


I think there is a misconception that Connolly plays on the left because of the Toulon Tournament. Connolly consistently plus CF in every other game that I have seen him. Even playing for Brighton, Maupay often is the deeper forward and Connolly is always the furthest up top. Think most strikers at 21 are flaky and hopefully they persist with him centrally because we need a striker! 
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