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People are totally getting their knickers in a twist here for the wrong reason. It's great that MON is looking to get young lads involved with the senior team early. O'Dowda won't be near the final 23. But he's probably been the standout u-21 player over the last year, including Byrne. He will move up the leagues and become a senior international for us.

There is absolutely an argument to me that Byrne should be their too, not instead, of O'Dowda.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I know nothing about EPL clubs after him but his move to Derby fell through in January and I know Celtic were watching him. I am sure a quick google of his name and both clubs should show something up.

And what makes you think he would make it at Derby. If he can't get a first team place with a league 2 side how is going to make it at Derby . 

The way I see it is O' Dowda is 21 . He will be playing league one football next season . If he is too make it to the premier league . He s going to have to start getting first team football and seriously tearing up the league . This guy isn't some youth prospect from liverpool or arsenal who was loaned out to a league 2 team . He is a league 2 player . None of the top scouts rated him . The chances of him ever becoming a premier league player are very slim.
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Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

People are totally getting their knickers in a twist here for the wrong reason. It's great that MON is looking to get young lads involved with the senior team early. O'Dowda won't be near the final 23. But he's probably been the standout u-21 player over the last year, including Byrne. He will move up the leagues and become a senior international for us.

There is absolutely an argument to me that Byrne should be their too, not instead, of O'Dowda.

What makes you so sure he will move up the leagues. Ward Prowse and Ravel Morrison were both stand out u21's for England . They are both rotting on the bench for their teams now. So was Jack Grealish and he in my opinion is a far more talented player than O' Dowd.
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Ok, but even if Cambuur were a worse team than Oxford (I don'tbelieve for a second they are btw), surely you have to take into account the quality of opposition they're playing against each week and not just the quality of their own team? I mean Ajax, PSV,Feyenoord, Twente, Alkmaar etc. are significantly better than any team O'Dowda will have encountered in L2. Anyway, for what it's worth I would have picked both O'Dowda and Byrne for this squad, I'd have picked a whole raft of fringe players in fact as I think it's a great opportunity to do so in a relatively low pressure environment.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Ok, but even if Cambuur were a worse team than Oxford (I don'tbelieve for a second they are btw), surely you have to take into account the quality of opposition they're playing against each week and not just the quality of their own team? I mean Ajax, PSV,Feyenoord, Twente, Alkmaar etc. are significantly better than any team O'Dowda will have encountered in L2. Anyway, for what it's worth I would have picked both O'Dowda and Byrne for this squad, I'd have picked a whole raft of fringe players in fact as I think it's a great opportunity to do so in a relatively low pressure environment.

You are exactly right and it is a point that all the O Dowda cheerleaders choose to ignore.
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Agreed, he played some decent sides, which is why a loan move to the Netherlands was good for him. Was far better to go there then a club of similar stature elsewhere; better at Cambuur than Kilmarnock or Accrington. I really want Byrne to do well, I am sure everyone on here does, I hope he gets a decent move next season. We need him to breakthrough next year. He is 20 now so next year is vital for him.
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O'Neill is simply bringing the best of the under 21s up to train with the first team. He did it with Byrne and Browne, now he's doing it with O'Dowda. I don't know what people are sh*tting the bed about.
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Originally posted by pinkfloyd2016 pinkfloyd2016 wrote:

Originally posted by Charlo Charlo wrote:

Originally posted by SByrne24 SByrne24 wrote:

No, O'Dowda is in my opinion. Dele Ali was playing league 1 last season and Vardy was on a building site not that long ago, he'll not be in league 2 next season.
Having watched him for the U21s he has looked a cut above others in the squad and there are bigger clubs watching him. He has great pace and control on the run. Doubt he'd make the squad for the Euros but being included and probably be given a cap which will do no harm to his own prospects for a potential move.

Where is the evidence that there is bigger clubs watching him. There is more to the game than pace and control on the run. 
Been told so! Forrester too has 4 EPL clubs watching him every week!
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Originally posted by pinkfloyd2016 pinkfloyd2016 wrote:

Originally posted by Charlo Charlo wrote:

Originally posted by SByrne24 SByrne24 wrote:

No, O'Dowda is in my opinion. Dele Ali was playing league 1 last season and Vardy was on a building site not that long ago, he'll not be in league 2 next season.
Having watched him for the U21s he has looked a cut above others in the squad and there are bigger clubs watching him. He has great pace and control on the run. Doubt he'd make the squad for the Euros but being included and probably be given a cap which will do no harm to his own prospects for a potential move.

Where is the evidence that there is bigger clubs watching him. There is more to the game than pace and control on the run. 
Just on the other aspect, I'm aware of what constitutes being a professional footballer and play at a good level which I guess you are hinting at?.....but what he has going for him is ability and certainly those two are some of his good points which are evident in his game if you were ever to go and watch him live......you would see this and in comparison to others playing in the game itself, his league or in leagues above him you will see that some players can't actually do it. A move to Derby fell through in January and he has signed an extension to his current deal.
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Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

People are totally getting their knickers in a twist here for the wrong reason. It's great that MON is looking to get young lads involved with the senior team early. O'Dowda won't be near the final 23. But he's probably been the standout u-21 player over the last year, including Byrne. He will move up the leagues and become a senior international for us.

There is absolutely an argument to me that Byrne should be their too, not instead, of O'Dowda.


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Originally posted by amccarten313 amccarten313 wrote:

Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

People are totally getting their knickers in a twist here for the wrong reason. It's great that MON is looking to get young lads involved with the senior team early. O'Dowda won't be near the final 23. But he's probably been the standout u-21 player over the last year, including Byrne. He will move up the leagues and become a senior international for us.

There is absolutely an argument to me that Byrne should be their too, not instead, of O'Dowda.


+1 nail on the head!
Correct! The two of them along with Alan Browne are the pick of that bunch just now. Encouraging to have three promising players coming available. Striker and Left Back two areas where we need something to start coming through.
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Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

O'Neill is simply bringing the best of the under 21s up to train with the first team. He did it with Byrne and Browne, now he's doing it with O'Dowda. I don't know what people are sh*tting the bed about.
 
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Originally posted by Charlo Charlo wrote:

Originally posted by amccarten313 amccarten313 wrote:

Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

People are totally getting their knickers in a twist here for the wrong reason. It's great that MON is looking to get young lads involved with the senior team early. O'Dowda won't be near the final 23. But he's probably been the standout u-21 player over the last year, including Byrne. He will move up the leagues and become a senior international for us.

There is absolutely an argument to me that Byrne should be their too, not instead, of O'Dowda.


+1 nail on the head!
Correct! The two of them along with Alan Browne are the pick of that bunch just now. Encouraging to have three promising players coming available. Striker and Left Back two areas where we need something to start coming through.
Courtney Duffus (PL u21 player of the month), Shane Lavery and Sam Bryne all of Everton are ones to look at
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Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

O'Neill is simply bringing the best of the under 21s up to train with the first team. He did it with Byrne and Browne, now he's doing it with O'Dowda. I don't know what people are sh*tting the bed about.
That is fine in so far as it goes, but I would argue that this is not the training squad to do it in.
 
But the reality is that if MON is now willing include players in England's 4th tier, and we are not talking about a player on loan there, it becomes difficult to justify not including a specific player in Hollands top flight and the best of the LoI, both of which are higher standards of football.
 
Its nothing personal against O'Dowda, best of luck to him, but he needs to be playing at a lot higher a level to be in the national setup.
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League of Ireland isn't a better standard of football than League 2
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Originally posted by Andy_Eire Andy_Eire wrote:

League of Ireland isn't a better standard of football than League 2
But it is. There are some relatively big clubs down there in terms of Pompey, Plymouth and Bristol Rovers but I find it very hard to believe Dundalk, Rovers and Cork wouldn't be more than competitive against Newport, Crawley, York, Mansfield, Dagenham and the likes.
 
How many of our squad came through the LoI and how many every played in L2?
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Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Originally posted by Andy_Eire Andy_Eire wrote:

League of Ireland isn't a better standard of football than League 2
But it is. There are some relatively big clubs down there in terms of Pompey, Plymouth and Bristol Rovers but I find it very hard to believe Dundalk, Rovers and Cork wouldn't be more than competitive against Newport, Crawley, York, Mansfield, Dagenham and the likes.
 
How many of our squad came through the LoI and how many every played in L2?
 
I agree I think loi is a higher standard than than l2 def the bigger clubs lik Dundalk and rovers would more than hold there own against l2 clubs.
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Is there ever not a LOI-angle to your posts RTID? It's hilariously desperate and repetive.

Who is there is the LOI under the age of 22 that has displayed more potential than O'Dowda? The answer is that there isn't anyone, hence why none of them were in contention for a call-up
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