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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Where did it all go wrong..... Why didnt we top this group after the fantastic start.

Some people will say if we drew with Serbia we would have topped the group.
But for me the momentum was lost with the 0-0 with Wales.

When Taylor got sent off after 70 mins we had 20+ mins to win that game against 10 men with the home crowd going ballistic. 
We needed to show intent and send on another striker/forward player immediately. I believe if we won that game we would have gone on to win the group.

We lost all momentum after that game.





Austria at home was another missed opportunity. There for the taking after beating them in Vienna but we started with a defensive midfield and that set the tone and really only started attacking after they scored. That was surely the sort of game for Hoolahan to start, instead we got Glenn Whelan. Confused
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It probably did all go wrong at the Welsh match, but more so because we lost our star player and captain for the remainder of the campaign. You're right, we should have been able to push on and get a winner but I think the loss of Coleman was a more devastating blow to our qualifying chances.
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That’s the frustrating thing. Am I right in saying if we had got a draw at home to Serbia we would have topped the group? So many missed opportunities
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Originally posted by rolo rolo wrote:

Its that time again, after a campaign has finished when we usually have to look ahead to the start of the next campaign.
Obviously we have the welcome situation where we we have qualified and so we dont have to spend the next ten months on here looking ahead to the future and hoping things will be better next time.
But it is still worth looking ahead. And actually we do have to hope things will be better next time. 3rd place wont cut it.

The main hope has to be that the team head to Serbia in September with the current high spirits and resolve unbroken having avoided another ignominious showing at the European Championships.

We still have to achieve that elusive 'big' away win. On the face of it, Serbia offers our best hope of that. They're in a bad place at the moment. A trashing by Czech Republic in a friendly last week followed a qualification campaign which at one stage saw their points total hit negative figures. There are whispers of player unrest and threats of retirements.

The first game of the campaign could be an opportune moment to play them. As we saw last week, and indeed against Germany, when there is a discernible difference in commitment from the two sides, however slight, it can negate any advantage our opponents have in terms of technical ability or having so-called star players in their ranks. It can tilt the balance in our favour.

Of course, Serbia will probably introduce some members of their recent U-20 World Cup winning side to their squad over the coming months, and they will look to get back to winning ways, but they have maybe four friendly games between now and September to get their house in order. With Georgia at home and Moldova away to follow in October, we have a great chance of heading to Austria with seven or even nine points on the board.

Austria look to be the strongest team in the group. And no matter what anyone says, Wales will be tough opponents too. This group will be a battle between four teams for two places. Although some teams qualified for the 2014 World Cup play-offs with as little as 15 or 16 points, the target has to be 18 or 19 points as a minimum. 19 points would have been enough for us to pip Poland to second last month on head-to-head (had we drawn 2-2).

To achieve a sufficient number of points to secure a play-off we'll need to pick up 12 from 12 in the four games with Georgia and Moldova, and at least one victory from our six games against the top three teams in the group.

There'll be some changes to the squad. Given is going to retire after Euro 2016, and will most likely be followed by Keane and O'Shea. Lots of names are being thrown about as to who will come into the frame but we have shown that we can deal with the loss of these players. We have a squad of players capable of beating Serbia and capable of taking points off Wales and Austria.

That said, there are deficiencies in our team which will leave us with frayed nerves in the next campaign. We seem incapable of holding onto the ball for prolonged periods. We were caught out on our left side repeatedly in the away play-off. Our central defensive partnership still doesnt inspire complete confidence. There is a lack of goals in the side, and we lack any kind of threat from dead balls. We persist with putting two men up to take a corner kick every time - a ploy which almost cost us dearly in Bosnia when we lost possession from a corner and should have been punished on the counter. Our manager still makes some questionable decisions up front and in midfield.

However, the last six games has seen a renewed spirit in the team. There is a new-found confidence, and a desire to overcome any perceived deficiencies and give everything they have to get the required result. They're going to need this and a lot more to get over the line in the next campaign.

We are in a group that gives us a real chance of qualifying. We have a real opportunity, but its not going to be straightforward. It never is with Ireland.
The above is the OP on this thread from the 25th November 2015 just days after we qualified for Euro 2016. An excellent appraisal of where we were at the time. Unfortunately many of the flaws identified then remain today.
 
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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Where did it all go wrong..... Why didnt we top this group after the fantastic start.

Some people will say if we drew with Serbia we would have topped the group.
But for me the momentum was lost with the 0-0 with Wales.

When Taylor got sent off after 70 mins we had 20+ mins to win that game against 10 men with the home crowd going ballistic. 
We needed to show intent and send on another striker/forward player immediately. I believe if we won that game we would have gone on to win the group.

We lost all momentum after that game.
Very reminiscent of Jack's last campaign.
 
And Austria were in that group too, they're fcuking jinxes.
 
 
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Originally posted by stokeirish stokeirish wrote:

That’s the frustrating thing. Am I right in saying if we had got a draw at home to Serbia we would have topped the group? So many missed opportunities
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At least the Georgia away result meant nothing in the end. Would have been tough to take that
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We needed just 11 points after Christmas, to win the group, and with 12 points at home alone to offer, and 2 of those games facing 10 men, we had lots of opportunities. Sadly we got just 9 points after Christmas, and theres a lot more to that, than the usual "lack of players" that has been wheeled out every failed campaign for nearly 20 years.

Iceland are at the WC, Switzerland are at the WC, Sweden are at the WC, Croatia are at the WC. Similiar populations and/or similiar resources and they're there. We're watching it on the red button, with the men responsible for our fate also at the WC, albeit acting the leprechaun for the brits amusement on BBC and ITV.

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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

We needed just 11 points after Christmas, to win the group, and with 22 points at home alone to offer, and 2 of those games facing 10 men, we had lots of opportunities. Sadly we got just 9 points after Christmas, and theres a lot more to that, than the usual "lack of players" that has been wheeled out every failed campaign for nearly 20 years.

Iceland are at the WC, Switzerland are at the WC, Sweden are at the WC, Croatia are at the WC. Similiar populations and/or similiar resources and they're there. We're watching them on the red button, with the men responsible for our fate also at the WC, albeit acting the leprechaun for the brits amusement on BBC and ITV.
Maths is still a strong point I see.
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

We needed just 11 points after Christmas, to win the group, and with 12 points at home alone to offer, and 2 of those games facing 10 men, we had lots of opportunities. Sadly we got just 9 points after Christmas, and theres a lot more to that, than the usual "lack of players" that has been wheeled out every failed campaign for nearly 20 years.

Iceland are at the WC, Switzerland are at the WC, Sweden are at the WC, Croatia are at the WC. Similiar populations and/or similiar resources and they're there. We're watching them on the red button, with the men responsible for our fate also at the WC, albeit acting the leprechaun for the brits amusement on BBC and ITV.

We need to have a serious development plan in place. A ten year plan. The FAI just wing it. Not that anyone here notices until we miss out on a tournament. 

Most people here are only concerned about tickets, not many make suggestions for how a ten year plan might work, the kind that Denmark implemented, that Germany did, that Belgium did.

But then it is the FAI's job to put such a system in place. Instead they wing it, and we hope that Cullen and Rice (born in UK) will add something in the next couple of years. We need a production line. That is achieved by implementing a proper system. 
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Originally posted by SimonCox SimonCox wrote:

Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

We needed just 11 points after Christmas, to win the group, and with 12 points at home alone to offer, and 2 of those games facing 10 men, we had lots of opportunities. Sadly we got just 9 points after Christmas, and theres a lot more to that, than the usual "lack of players" that has been wheeled out every failed campaign for nearly 20 years.

Iceland are at the WC, Switzerland are at the WC, Sweden are at the WC, Croatia are at the WC. Similiar populations and/or similiar resources and they're there. We're watching them on the red button, with the men responsible for our fate also at the WC, albeit acting the leprechaun for the brits amusement on BBC and ITV.

We need to have a serious development plan in place. A ten year plan. The FAI just wing it. Not that anyone here notices until we miss out on a tournament. 

Most people here are only concerned about tickets, not many make suggestions for how a ten year plan might work, the kind that Denmark implemented, that Germany did, that Belgium did.

But then it is the FAI's job to put such a system in place. Instead they wing it, and we hope that Cullen and Rice (born in UK) will add something in the next couple of years. We need a production line. That is achieved by implementing a proper system. 


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I hear the SFAI couldn't give a sh*te about any plans.  Not sue but could the FAI not bring in a rule saying you woon't get picked for Ireland underage teams unless you play with a club that signs up to their Koovermans/Doktor programme? 
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

I hear the SFAI couldn't give a sh*te about any plans.  Not sue but could the FAI not bring in a rule saying you woon't get picked for Ireland underage teams unless you play with a club that signs up to their Koovermans/Doktor programme? 

I think the FAI were pushing the Irish underage managers to select players from LOI clubs to help motivate players to go that direction. 
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In World Cup qualifying our home form is killing us. Since we last qualified in 2002, we have only lost 2 away games. However we have lost 6 home games in that time.


WORLD CUP

home record     away record

wc 90 - w d l          w d l  
             4 0 0         1 2 1
        
wc 94 -
             4 1 1         3 3 0

wc 98 -
             2 4 0         3 0 3

wc 02 -
             5 1 0         3 2 1

wc 06 -
             2 2 1         2 3 0

wc 10 - 
             2 3 1         2 4 0

wc 14 - 
             2 1 2         2 1 2

wc 18 -
             2 2 2         3 3 0



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the reeling in the years 2017 will prob have this whole campaign summed up

(Showing Mccleans goal in Cardiff)- A 1-0 win in Cardiff puts Ireland into a playoff for the world cup finals in Russia 

(Brief highlight of the first leg)- The Republic are drawn against Denmark, The first leg ends 0-0

(Showing Duffys goal)- 5 mins gone into the 2nd Leg Ireland lead 1-0

(Showing all the danes goals)- Sadly Denmark prove too strong and come out 5-1 winners to end Irelands world cup hopes

' Northern Ireland lose out 1-0 on Agg against Switzerland for a place in the finals'

cant wait for the 2017 Episode this and seeing Waterford being beaten in the All Ireland Hurling final OuchOuchOuch
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