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Posted: 07 Oct 2020 at 5:59pm |
 sid waddell wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
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He has totally spooked the markets with that one. Deranged behaviour, might be 'roid rage or just general sociopathy. Can't see the debate going ahead next week, especially if the virus cycle spikes again, but he seems intent on wasting as many of the maskless cult victims as he can pack into the next rally. Worst thing that could happen for the Democrats now would be for him to snuff it. If he stays alive, it's a slam dunk blue wave. |
As somebody that works in that general area, we can't any book annual leave for around the week of the election as they fear market volatility. Trump's outrageous rhetoric has consequences.
Hopefully these false-equivalent gobsh*tes that seen Trump and Hilary as the same have finally realised there is a huge difference when you elect somebody that's clearly incompetent, immature and a wannabe dictator. That's no defence of Hilary's inexcusable hawkish record on foreign affairs either. |
If I was looking to single out somebody for malign US interference abroad Hillary Clinton is not one of the first places I'd be looking |
She's not as bad or hawkish as the Republicans but you might want to ask an Iraqi, Libyan and Palestinian what they think of Hilary's foreign policy record. Herself and Biden supporting the Iraq war is inexcusable especially given the disastrous consequences of it.
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Posted: 07 Oct 2020 at 6:03pm |
sid waddell wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
Green Cockade wrote:
He has totally spooked the markets with that one. Deranged behaviour, might be 'roid rage or just general sociopathy. Can't see the debate going ahead next week, especially if the virus cycle spikes again, but he seems intent on wasting as many of the maskless cult victims as he can pack into the next rally. Worst thing that could happen for the Democrats now would be for him to snuff it. If he stays alive, it's a slam dunk blue wave. |
Pence is refusing to debate Harris tomorrow if there are plexiglass divides installed at the venue
The cult just keeps on truckin' |
I don't blame him in a sense as she'll absolutely bury him like she did with Trump's henchman Barr at the Mueller Report hearing. He's a cardboard of a man with no substance or charisma.
She'll probably be a future president imo. |
If Harris did get to be Vice President and then ran in 2024 as effective incumbent if Biden retired I could easily see her losing
Nobody should fool themselves that a black woman would not suffer the worst vilification campaign of any candidate in history, Republicans will likely put up Ivanka Trump or another celebrity candidate like Tucker Carlson in 2024 if Trump is not there to go for third term
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Tucker will definitely run and he'll get a lot of support throughout the right. He'd be a dangerous opponent especially when you have an Electoral College system that favours the Republicans.
Harris is a cool customer and would be well fit for any vilification campaign thrown at her. Unlike a lot of the Democrats she's not a soft touch.
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Posted: 07 Oct 2020 at 6:15pm |
irishmufc wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
Green Cockade wrote:
He has totally spooked the markets with that one. Deranged behaviour, might be 'roid rage or just general sociopathy. Can't see the debate going ahead next week, especially if the virus cycle spikes again, but he seems intent on wasting as many of the maskless cult victims as he can pack into the next rally. Worst thing that could happen for the Democrats now would be for him to snuff it. If he stays alive, it's a slam dunk blue wave. |
As somebody that works in that general area, we can't any book annual leave for around the week of the election as they fear market volatility. Trump's outrageous rhetoric has consequences.
Hopefully these false-equivalent gobsh*tes that seen Trump and Hilary as the same have finally realised there is a huge difference when you elect somebody that's clearly incompetent, immature and a wannabe dictator. That's no defence of Hilary's inexcusable hawkish record on foreign affairs either. |
If I was looking to single out somebody for malign US interference abroad Hillary Clinton is not one of the first places I'd be looking |
She's not as bad or hawkish as the Republicans but you might want to ask an Iraqi, Libyan and Palestinian what they think of Hilary's foreign policy record. Herself and Biden supporting the Iraq war is inexcusable especially given the disastrous consequences of it. |
Being pro-Israel is sadly an almost mandatory policy in the US, it would be bizarre to single out Clinton for that given that the administration she was part of was probably the least sycophantic to Israel in modern times, they were obviously heavily pro-Israel as all US administrations are but not to the extent of Republican ones
Libya was a clusterf**k but the US did not cause that war, the Arab Spring was a real thing, but her words about Gaddafi were unfortunate to put it mildly
The way she was vilified over the Benghazi thing was utterly ludicrous
Most politicians in the US supported the Iraq War because the intelligence used as a pretext was fake but they did not know that
They shouldn't have supported it anyway because it should have been obvious it would be a disaster, but that was the context of their decision
It's quite hilarious to see people like Glenn Greenwald frothing at the mouth now over Biden and Clinton's support for the Iraq War when he himself supported it and stated he "trusted the Bush administration"
Glenn likes to keep that a secret now though
Trump also supported it and has got involved in the filthy war in Yemen as well as stabbing the Kurds in the back and massively ramping up drone strikes
His foreign policy has been a disaster
Republican foreign policy has always been worse than Democratic foreign policy in the last 50 years, that's not to say Democratic foreign policy has been good but it has been less bad
Trump in charge of US foreign policy for another four years would be frightening
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Posted: 07 Oct 2020 at 6:26pm |
irishmufc wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
Green Cockade wrote:
He has totally spooked the markets with that one. Deranged behaviour, might be 'roid rage or just general sociopathy. Can't see the debate going ahead next week, especially if the virus cycle spikes again, but he seems intent on wasting as many of the maskless cult victims as he can pack into the next rally. Worst thing that could happen for the Democrats now would be for him to snuff it. If he stays alive, it's a slam dunk blue wave. |
Pence is refusing to debate Harris tomorrow if there are plexiglass divides installed at the venue
The cult just keeps on truckin' |
I don't blame him in a sense as she'll absolutely bury him like she did with Trump's henchman Barr at the Mueller Report hearing. He's a cardboard of a man with no substance or charisma.
She'll probably be a future president imo. |
If Harris did get to be Vice President and then ran in 2024 as effective incumbent if Biden retired I could easily see her losing
Nobody should fool themselves that a black woman would not suffer the worst vilification campaign of any candidate in history, Republicans will likely put up Ivanka Trump or another celebrity candidate like Tucker Carlson in 2024 if Trump is not there to go for third term
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Tucker will definitely run and he'll get a lot of support throughout the right. He'd be a dangerous opponent especially when you have an Electoral College system that favours the Republicans.
Harris is a cool customer and would be well fit for any vilification campaign thrown at her. Unlike a lot of the Democrats she's not a soft touch. |
I would not say Carlson will definitely run but would certainly not rule it out
He could be a beaten docket by then but he could also be the new demagogue that carries on Trumpism
I think Ivanka Trump will very likely run and run on a fake "feminist" ticket
She may even try to disavow herself of some of her father's worst aspects while being just as corrupt and traitorous
I think Israel would like Kushner to be in the White House for as long as possible, there are massive ties between his family and Netanyahu
Whoever the Republican candidate is in 2024 will be a horrifying ghoul
Edited by sid waddell - 07 Oct 2020 at 6:27pm
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Posted: 07 Oct 2020 at 6:35pm |
Tucker Carlson vs The Rock 2024. 
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Barr's DOJ are planning to make a load of fake announcements that Democrats are supposedly "rigging£ the election, when they themselves are doing it
Watch this space
Millions of legitimate mail in ballots could simply be binned by Republicans
They will steal this election yet and the world is in for a truly appalling period of history if they do
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Posted: 07 Oct 2020 at 6:40pm |
sid waddell wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
Green Cockade wrote:
He has totally spooked the markets with that one. Deranged behaviour, might be 'roid rage or just general sociopathy. Can't see the debate going ahead next week, especially if the virus cycle spikes again, but he seems intent on wasting as many of the maskless cult victims as he can pack into the next rally. Worst thing that could happen for the Democrats now would be for him to snuff it. If he stays alive, it's a slam dunk blue wave. |
As somebody that works in that general area, we can't any book annual leave for around the week of the election as they fear market volatility. Trump's outrageous rhetoric has consequences.
Hopefully these false-equivalent gobsh*tes that seen Trump and Hilary as the same have finally realised there is a huge difference when you elect somebody that's clearly incompetent, immature and a wannabe dictator. That's no defence of Hilary's inexcusable hawkish record on foreign affairs either. |
If I was looking to single out somebody for malign US interference abroad Hillary Clinton is not one of the first places I'd be looking |
She's not as bad or hawkish as the Republicans but you might want to ask an Iraqi, Libyan and Palestinian what they think of Hilary's foreign policy record. Herself and Biden supporting the Iraq war is inexcusable especially given the disastrous consequences of it. |
Being pro-Israel is sadly an almost mandatory policy in the US, it would be bizarre to single out Clinton for that given that the administration she was part of was probably the least sycophantic to Israel in modern times, they were obviously heavily pro-Israel as all US administrations are but not to the extent of Republican ones
Libya was a clusterf**k but the US did not cause that war, the Arab Spring was a real thing, but her words about Gaddafi were unfortunate to put it mildly
The way she was vilified over the Benghazi thing was utterly ludicrous
Most politicians in the US supported the Iraq War because the intelligence used as a pretext was fake but they did not know that
They shouldn't have supported it anyway because it should have been obvious it would be a disaster, but that was the context of their decision
It's quite hilarious to see people like Glenn Greenwald frothing at the mouth now over Biden and Clinton's support for the Iraq War when he himself supported it and stated he "trusted the Bush administration"
Glenn likes to keep that a secret now though
Trump also supported it and has got involved in the filthy war in Yemen as well as stabbing the Kurds in the back and massively ramping up drone strikes
His foreign policy has been a disaster
Republican foreign policy has always been worse than Democratic foreign policy in the last 50 years, that's not to say Democratic foreign policy has been good but it has been less bad
Trump in charge of US foreign policy for another four years would be frightening
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I don't disagree with a lot of that but it just isn't good enough to cast a vote which will kill a lot of civilians irrespective of whether she knew the intelligence was accurate or inaccurate.
Benghazi like the emails was a load of nonsense and I'm not criticizing Clinton on any of that.
She's not the only one who went along with bad foreign policy decisions but she's still responsible for her own previous actions in this area. The Republicans are worse which goes without saying.
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Posted: 07 Oct 2020 at 8:47pm |
irishmufc wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
Green Cockade wrote:
He has totally spooked the markets with that one. Deranged behaviour, might be 'roid rage or just general sociopathy. Can't see the debate going ahead next week, especially if the virus cycle spikes again, but he seems intent on wasting as many of the maskless cult victims as he can pack into the next rally. Worst thing that could happen for the Democrats now would be for him to snuff it. If he stays alive, it's a slam dunk blue wave. |
As somebody that works in that general area, we can't any book annual leave for around the week of the election as they fear market volatility. Trump's outrageous rhetoric has consequences.
Hopefully these false-equivalent gobsh*tes that seen Trump and Hilary as the same have finally realised there is a huge difference when you elect somebody that's clearly incompetent, immature and a wannabe dictator. That's no defence of Hilary's inexcusable hawkish record on foreign affairs either. |
If I was looking to single out somebody for malign US interference abroad Hillary Clinton is not one of the first places I'd be looking |
She's not as bad or hawkish as the Republicans but you might want to ask an Iraqi, Libyan and Palestinian what they think of Hilary's foreign policy record. Herself and Biden supporting the Iraq war is inexcusable especially given the disastrous consequences of it. |
Being pro-Israel is sadly an almost mandatory policy in the US, it would be bizarre to single out Clinton for that given that the administration she was part of was probably the least sycophantic to Israel in modern times, they were obviously heavily pro-Israel as all US administrations are but not to the extent of Republican ones
Libya was a clusterf**k but the US did not cause that war, the Arab Spring was a real thing, but her words about Gaddafi were unfortunate to put it mildly
The way she was vilified over the Benghazi thing was utterly ludicrous
Most politicians in the US supported the Iraq War because the intelligence used as a pretext was fake but they did not know that
They shouldn't have supported it anyway because it should have been obvious it would be a disaster, but that was the context of their decision
It's quite hilarious to see people like Glenn Greenwald frothing at the mouth now over Biden and Clinton's support for the Iraq War when he himself supported it and stated he "trusted the Bush administration"
Glenn likes to keep that a secret now though
Trump also supported it and has got involved in the filthy war in Yemen as well as stabbing the Kurds in the back and massively ramping up drone strikes
His foreign policy has been a disaster
Republican foreign policy has always been worse than Democratic foreign policy in the last 50 years, that's not to say Democratic foreign policy has been good but it has been less bad
Trump in charge of US foreign policy for another four years would be frightening
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I don't disagree with a lot of that but it just isn't good enough to cast a vote which will kill a lot of civilians irrespective of whether she knew the intelligence was accurate or inaccurate.
Benghazi like the emails was a load of nonsense and I'm not criticizing Clinton on any of that.
She's not the only one who went along with bad foreign policy decisions but she's still responsible for her own previous actions in this area. The Republicans are worse which goes without saying. |
In a straight up moral sense it's certainly not good enough
That said, the majority of US public opinion was manipulated into supporting that war on a fake pretext
US presidential candidates are decided by public vote
And in a US presidential election between somebody who admitted they made a mistake and somebody who has never admitted to a mistake in their entire life, I know who I'd pick
Had Al Gore won the presidency - as he surely did had the election in 2000 been counted legitimately - there wouldn't have been an Iraq War, there might not have been a 9/11
Something to think about for anybody who peddles the "they're as bad as each other" line
With the Republicans, "they're as bad as each other" never, ever, ever applies
Edited by sid waddell - 07 Oct 2020 at 8:48pm
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Posted: 07 Oct 2020 at 9:57pm |
sid waddell wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
Green Cockade wrote:
He has totally spooked the markets with that one. Deranged behaviour, might be 'roid rage or just general sociopathy. Can't see the debate going ahead next week, especially if the virus cycle spikes again, but he seems intent on wasting as many of the maskless cult victims as he can pack into the next rally. Worst thing that could happen for the Democrats now would be for him to snuff it. If he stays alive, it's a slam dunk blue wave. |
Pence is refusing to debate Harris tomorrow if there are plexiglass divides installed at the venue
The cult just keeps on truckin' |
I don't blame him in a sense as she'll absolutely bury him like she did with Trump's henchman Barr at the Mueller Report hearing. He's a cardboard of a man with no substance or charisma.
She'll probably be a future president imo. |
If Harris did get to be Vice President and then ran in 2024 as effective incumbent if Biden retired I could easily see her losing
Nobody should fool themselves that a black woman would not suffer the worst vilification campaign of any candidate in history, Republicans will likely put up Ivanka Trump or another celebrity candidate like Tucker Carlson in 2024 if Trump is not there to go for third term
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Tucker will definitely run and he'll get a lot of support throughout the right. He'd be a dangerous opponent especially when you have an Electoral College system that favours the Republicans.
Harris is a cool customer and would be well fit for any vilification campaign thrown at her. Unlike a lot of the Democrats she's not a soft touch. |
I would not say Carlson will definitely run but would certainly not rule it out
He could be a beaten docket by then but he could also be the new demagogue that carries on Trumpism
I think Ivanka Trump will very likely run and run on a fake "feminist" ticket
She may even try to disavow herself of some of her father's worst aspects while being just as corrupt and traitorous
I think Israel would like Kushner to be in the White House for as long as possible, there are massive ties between his family and Netanyahu
Whoever the Republican candidate is in 2024 will be a horrifying ghoul
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Ivanka hasn't a hope if she ran and any potential "feminist" ticket won't wash and it would be a disastrous strategy if she wants to appeal conservatives/republicans in general.
Whatever you think about Trump, it is inarguable that he is a 'character' for better or worse. Ivanka has no personality/charisma and is dull like her husband in that sense.
Carlson is in a stronger position than Ivanka to run given his media exposure and is smart enough to distance himself from Trumpism when it suits him. He can pivot away from it in a way that Hannity or Kilmeade couldn't if they decided to run as they're even more ridiculous in their unhinged devotion to Trump.
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Posted: 07 Oct 2020 at 10:04pm |
sid waddell wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
Green Cockade wrote:
He has totally spooked the markets with that one. Deranged behaviour, might be 'roid rage or just general sociopathy. Can't see the debate going ahead next week, especially if the virus cycle spikes again, but he seems intent on wasting as many of the maskless cult victims as he can pack into the next rally. Worst thing that could happen for the Democrats now would be for him to snuff it. If he stays alive, it's a slam dunk blue wave. |
As somebody that works in that general area, we can't any book annual leave for around the week of the election as they fear market volatility. Trump's outrageous rhetoric has consequences.
Hopefully these false-equivalent gobsh*tes that seen Trump and Hilary as the same have finally realised there is a huge difference when you elect somebody that's clearly incompetent, immature and a wannabe dictator. That's no defence of Hilary's inexcusable hawkish record on foreign affairs either. |
If I was looking to single out somebody for malign US interference abroad Hillary Clinton is not one of the first places I'd be looking |
She's not as bad or hawkish as the Republicans but you might want to ask an Iraqi, Libyan and Palestinian what they think of Hilary's foreign policy record. Herself and Biden supporting the Iraq war is inexcusable especially given the disastrous consequences of it. |
Being pro-Israel is sadly an almost mandatory policy in the US, it would be bizarre to single out Clinton for that given that the administration she was part of was probably the least sycophantic to Israel in modern times, they were obviously heavily pro-Israel as all US administrations are but not to the extent of Republican ones
Libya was a clusterf**k but the US did not cause that war, the Arab Spring was a real thing, but her words about Gaddafi were unfortunate to put it mildly
The way she was vilified over the Benghazi thing was utterly ludicrous
Most politicians in the US supported the Iraq War because the intelligence used as a pretext was fake but they did not know that
They shouldn't have supported it anyway because it should have been obvious it would be a disaster, but that was the context of their decision
It's quite hilarious to see people like Glenn Greenwald frothing at the mouth now over Biden and Clinton's support for the Iraq War when he himself supported it and stated he "trusted the Bush administration"
Glenn likes to keep that a secret now though
Trump also supported it and has got involved in the filthy war in Yemen as well as stabbing the Kurds in the back and massively ramping up drone strikes
His foreign policy has been a disaster
Republican foreign policy has always been worse than Democratic foreign policy in the last 50 years, that's not to say Democratic foreign policy has been good but it has been less bad
Trump in charge of US foreign policy for another four years would be frightening
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I don't disagree with a lot of that but it just isn't good enough to cast a vote which will kill a lot of civilians irrespective of whether she knew the intelligence was accurate or inaccurate.
Benghazi like the emails was a load of nonsense and I'm not criticizing Clinton on any of that.
She's not the only one who went along with bad foreign policy decisions but she's still responsible for her own previous actions in this area. The Republicans are worse which goes without saying. |
In a straight up moral sense it's certainly not good enough
That said, the majority of US public opinion was manipulated into supporting that war on a fake pretext
US presidential candidates are decided by public vote
And in a US presidential election between somebody who admitted they made a mistake and somebody who has never admitted to a mistake in their entire life, I know who I'd pick
Had Al Gore won the presidency - as he surely did had the election in 2000 been counted legitimately - there wouldn't have been an Iraq War, there might not have been a 9/11
Something to think about for anybody who peddles the "they're as bad as each other" line
With the Republicans, "they're as bad as each other" never, ever, ever applies
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Again you're preaching to the choir here and I don't think we're in disagreement generally.
I only highlighted Hilary's own previous foreign policy record in my original point as even that wouldn't have dissuaded me (If I was american) from voting for her if it was a choice between her and Trump, because there was a clear choice between the rational candidate and the unhinged wannabe dictatorial one in 2016.
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All the indications currently are for a record turnout. Presidency, Congress, Senate.... blue wave, blue wave, blue wave. Of course there will be corrupt interference with the vote but the majority will be so overwhelming that it isn't going to matter. No idea where the GOP goes from this. They have subscribed to a cult, their manifesto has been ' whatever the Donald says, that's what we say too', so....well, who really gives a flying f**k.
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your fixation on masks is utterly bizarre. No one, anywhere, advocates them as a vaccine.
I have no issue with wishing death upon him. I have no doubt you advocate for the death penalty. |
I voted for it to be removed from our constitution when it was put to referendum. As did most others.
I'm not lieing when I say that a small minority of posters who have spent the past 6 months here and longer telling us how to avoid getting the virus, now wish to see more people die. I'm not going to name them, I don't have to. They know who they are. And before they say its only one death, yes it is. One death too many. I wouldn't wish the virus on anyone, let alone want them to die from it.
Nobody wore masks in this country until they were made mandatory, because they do not work. In April, when 70 people were dieing per day, the cranks told us that masks were not needed. Now when almost all cases survive, the same cranks tell us to wear a mask everywhere. 600 mask wearers who followed every rule and guideline, got the bug in Ireland yesterday. A similar number will get it today. It's not their fault, and I don't blame them for doing what they were told. I blame the cranks for getting their decisions wrong, based on flawed projections and inaccurate predictions. The country has now been upgraded to Level 3 restrictions and the public have been threatened with more for not obeying the orders from the Department of Hardship. Heaven help us if we ever have the death rate the USA has. |
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I'm not lieing when I say that a small minority of posters who have spent the past 6 months here and longer telling us how to avoid getting the virus, now wish to see more people die. I'm not going to name them, I don't have to.
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Posted: 08 Oct 2020 at 1:08pm |
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All the indications currently are for a record turnout. Presidency, Congress, Senate.... blue wave, blue wave, blue wave. Of course there will be corrupt interference with the vote but the majority will be so overwhelming that it isn't going to matter. |
I want to believe this but I don't
I think it's inevitable that it will look like there's a record turnout in the weeks before the election because a lot more people will vote before election day this year because of Covid
Turnout on the day will likely be well down though
While swing state polls are somewhat encouraging, have a look at the Wisconsin polls from 2016 as a warning
I suspect the reality is that the polls were not very far out then and that the vote was rigged
Trump is the proverbial zombie who is not dead until a stake is driven through his heart
Nobody should be remotely complacent - the Republicans will do everything they can to steal this
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Posted: 08 Oct 2020 at 1:47pm |
sid waddell wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
Green Cockade wrote:
He has totally spooked the markets with that one. Deranged behaviour, might be 'roid rage or just general sociopathy. Can't see the debate going ahead next week, especially if the virus cycle spikes again, but he seems intent on wasting as many of the maskless cult victims as he can pack into the next rally. Worst thing that could happen for the Democrats now would be for him to snuff it. If he stays alive, it's a slam dunk blue wave. |
As somebody that works in that general area, we can't any book annual leave for around the week of the election as they fear market volatility. Trump's outrageous rhetoric has consequences.
Hopefully these false-equivalent gobsh*tes that seen Trump and Hilary as the same have finally realised there is a huge difference when you elect somebody that's clearly incompetent, immature and a wannabe dictator. That's no defence of Hilary's inexcusable hawkish record on foreign affairs either. |
If I was looking to single out somebody for malign US interference abroad Hillary Clinton is not one of the first places I'd be looking |
She's not as bad or hawkish as the Republicans but you might want to ask an Iraqi, Libyan and Palestinian what they think of Hilary's foreign policy record. Herself and Biden supporting the Iraq war is inexcusable especially given the disastrous consequences of it. |
Being pro-Israel is sadly an almost mandatory policy in the US, it would be bizarre to single out Clinton for that given that the administration she was part of was probably the least sycophantic to Israel in modern times, they were obviously heavily pro-Israel as all US administrations are but not to the extent of Republican ones
Libya was a clusterf**k but the US did not cause that war, the Arab Spring was a real thing, but her words about Gaddafi were unfortunate to put it mildly
The way she was vilified over the Benghazi thing was utterly ludicrous
Most politicians in the US supported the Iraq War because the intelligence used as a pretext was fake but they did not know that
They shouldn't have supported it anyway because it should have been obvious it would be a disaster, but that was the context of their decision
It's quite hilarious to see people like Glenn Greenwald frothing at the mouth now over Biden and Clinton's support for the Iraq War when he himself supported it and stated he "trusted the Bush administration"
Glenn likes to keep that a secret now though
Trump also supported it and has got involved in the filthy war in Yemen as well as stabbing the Kurds in the back and massively ramping up drone strikes
His foreign policy has been a disaster
Republican foreign policy has always been worse than Democratic foreign policy in the last 50 years, that's not to say Democratic foreign policy has been good but it has been less bad
Trump in charge of US foreign policy for another four years would be frightening
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f**king hell...
Trust sid to praise Killary and the murderous Democrats with the faintest of faint damnation.
Edited by NewtNewbie - 08 Oct 2020 at 1:48pm
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sid waddell
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Posted: 08 Oct 2020 at 1:58pm |
NewtNewbie wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
Green Cockade wrote:
He has totally spooked the markets with that one. Deranged behaviour, might be 'roid rage or just general sociopathy. Can't see the debate going ahead next week, especially if the virus cycle spikes again, but he seems intent on wasting as many of the maskless cult victims as he can pack into the next rally. Worst thing that could happen for the Democrats now would be for him to snuff it. If he stays alive, it's a slam dunk blue wave. |
As somebody that works in that general area, we can't any book annual leave for around the week of the election as they fear market volatility. Trump's outrageous rhetoric has consequences.
Hopefully these false-equivalent gobsh*tes that seen Trump and Hilary as the same have finally realised there is a huge difference when you elect somebody that's clearly incompetent, immature and a wannabe dictator. That's no defence of Hilary's inexcusable hawkish record on foreign affairs either. |
If I was looking to single out somebody for malign US interference abroad Hillary Clinton is not one of the first places I'd be looking |
She's not as bad or hawkish as the Republicans but you might want to ask an Iraqi, Libyan and Palestinian what they think of Hilary's foreign policy record. Herself and Biden supporting the Iraq war is inexcusable especially given the disastrous consequences of it. |
Being pro-Israel is sadly an almost mandatory policy in the US, it would be bizarre to single out Clinton for that given that the administration she was part of was probably the least sycophantic to Israel in modern times, they were obviously heavily pro-Israel as all US administrations are but not to the extent of Republican ones
Libya was a clusterf**k but the US did not cause that war, the Arab Spring was a real thing, but her words about Gaddafi were unfortunate to put it mildly
The way she was vilified over the Benghazi thing was utterly ludicrous
Most politicians in the US supported the Iraq War because the intelligence used as a pretext was fake but they did not know that
They shouldn't have supported it anyway because it should have been obvious it would be a disaster, but that was the context of their decision
It's quite hilarious to see people like Glenn Greenwald frothing at the mouth now over Biden and Clinton's support for the Iraq War when he himself supported it and stated he "trusted the Bush administration"
Glenn likes to keep that a secret now though
Trump also supported it and has got involved in the filthy war in Yemen as well as stabbing the Kurds in the back and massively ramping up drone strikes
His foreign policy has been a disaster
Republican foreign policy has always been worse than Democratic foreign policy in the last 50 years, that's not to say Democratic foreign policy has been good but it has been less bad
Trump in charge of US foreign policy for another four years would be frightening
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f**king hell...
Trust sid to praise Killary and the murderous Democrats with the faintest of faint damnation.
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Tremendous
A two line post this time
This guy really knows his onions
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