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The only link I can see between alcohol and guns is that both can help you to get sex
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Trump is coming out with some belters on Twitter today. An absolute madman.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966653833047887874

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Originally posted by Stickittotheman Stickittotheman wrote:

The NRA have a massive hard on to be the good guy with a gun, to be a hero, saluted by all as they tackle an armed madman, an all American hero. America's political system is pretty loose, state laws often over riding national ones. I have always maintained that this will never change until some headcase goes on a rampage in Harvard or Yale or somewhere that Congressmens children attend. Gun control wouldn't be long being brought in if 50 rich kids with powerful dads were gunned down. It is always the way.
 

It's an interesting point and it could well be the case but I just think the gun lobby like the defence contractors, AIPAC and private health insurance lobbies are too powerful to ever be severely reprimanded or prevented from getting their agendas approved in Congress. The NRA donated 30 million to Trump's presidential campaign.

Citizens United (corporation donations to political campaigns) would need to be overturned and the logistical nightmare of trying to confiscate 300 million private firearms of people throughout the United States makes it a non-starter imo. 


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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Liberalising alcohol consumption for one day a year is not in the same league as gun control. Equally, having one day a year where people can't go to the pub is unlikely to make a noticeable difference in the way we consume alcohol. People either abstained or stocked up in the days before Good Friday. Making it more difficult to purchase guns will actually have a tangible influence, as it will render more difficult for "legitimate" firearms to fall into the wrong hands. Ditto imposing stiff penalties for those found with illegally procured firearms (not a great leap from crimes related to the possession of weapons).

I don't disagree that there has been a bi-partisan failing on gun control. But at least the Democrats have made some efforts (albeit a fraction of what John Howard and John Major did in Australia and the UK). They are not standing on ceremony peddling the "good guy with a gun" myth.


The Democrats have had their chances to do something about it down the years. They couldn't/wouldn't get it done. The only thing that works is a blanket ban, which is unenforceable. Neither the left not right in America have the will nor the interest to implement a blanket ban, the issue is constitutional after all. Pussyfooting around with token efforts is merely political points scoring.
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Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

The only link I can see between alcohol and guns is that both can help you to get sex

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The Democrats have had their chances to do something about it down the years. They couldn't/wouldn't get it done. The only thing that works is a blanket ban, which is unenforceable. Neither the left not right in America have the will nor the interest to implement a blanket ban, the issue is constitutional after all. Pussyfooting around with token efforts is merely political points scoring.


But the Dems are not suggesting fighting guns with more guns. It's doubling down on bad policy.
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

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Rick Gates - former Deputy Campaign Manager - for Trump's Presidential election campaign has pleaded guilty on two charges this evening. This is a hugely significant development. To save me from typing an essay I'll leave this link lying here

https://twitter.com/SLSmith000/status/956533160191447040

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Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Rick Gates - former Deputy Campaign Manager - for Trump's Presidential election campaign has admitted guilty on two charges this evening. This is a hugely significant development. To save me from typing an essay I'll leave this link lying here

https://twitter.com/SLSmith000/status/956533160191447040




Mueller caught him by the bollox



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In other words, this plea deal has in fact been in the works for three weeks. The media reports that Gates was about to plead guilty were accurate. At the last minute he appeared to balk, which is why Mueller dropped the new indictments yesterday. That was the last straw


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Now it's time for Manafort to be flipped.

As they say the wheels of justice turn slowly. Reckon Trump will be turfed out within 12 months. The midterms loom large and Democrats look like they will have a "tremendous" win. Impeachment to then follow.

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Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Now it's time for Manafort to be flipped.

As they say the wheels of justice turn slowly. Reckon Trump will be turfed out within 12 months. The midterms loom large and Democratics look like they will have a "tremendous" win. Impeachment to then follow.



Wouldn't be too sure about that in relation to Manafort. He's balls deep in with the Ruskies. Don't think they'd think twice about whacking him a la Litvenenko. Only way he flips I think is if he gets witness protection.
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Well well part of the latest indictment said Manafort paid Senior European politicians to lobby in relation to Ukraine and look who it looks like was doing something along those lines in 2014


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-26768602



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Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Now it's time for Manafort to be flipped.

As they say the wheels of justice turn slowly. Reckon Trump will be turfed out within 12 months. The midterms loom large and Democrats look like they will have a "tremendous" win. Impeachment to then follow.


There was a lad on Sean Moncrieff today who's travelled back in time from 2030. Trump will serve his full term.He will be re-elected for a second full term.He will then be replaced by another celebrity president who he won't name as they will be impeached for crooked activity (I'm guessing Oprah). The president after that will be Martin Luther Kings grand daughter who will only be in her 20's but the rules will have changed on that by then.No more info until he goes back to his own time.
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Let's not get carried away. It could be any politician in the EU and it does say former politicians. Farage is still an MEP but more interestingly they've used the plural.
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Originally posted by TonyNotJack TonyNotJack wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Now it's time for Manafort to be flipped.

As they say the wheels of justice turn slowly. Reckon Trump will be turfed out within 12 months. The midterms loom large and Democrats look like they will have a "tremendous" win. Impeachment to then follow.



There was a lad on Sean Moncrieff today who's travelled back in time from 2030. Trump will serve his full term.He will be re-elected for a second full term.He will then be replaced by another celebrity president who he won't name as they will be impeached for crooked activity (I'm guessing Oprah). The president after that will be Martin Luther Kings grand daughter who will only be in her 20's but the rules will have changed on that by then.No more info until he goes back to his own time.


Sounds like this lad is right up Moncrieffs street
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Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Let's not get carried away. It could be any politician in the EU and it does say former politicians. Farage is still an MEP but more interestingly they've used the plural.


Schroeder has dealings in that part of the world. I reckon he might be one.
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A "former European chancellor" led the group of politicians. Is Mueller referring to Germany by using the term Chancellor? Otherwise it could be anyone e.g. Tony Blair. Things are very juicy
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