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sid waddell 
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 Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 9:09pm |
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Why are you so obsessed with promoting a Russian disinfomation campaign which is aimed at benefitting Trump? If you say you despise Putin, like? Maybe you just love Trump?  The "story" is a complete nonsense Trump Said to Be Warned That Giuliani Was Conveying Russian DisinformationPresident Trump shrugged off the warning from the intelligence agencies, officials said.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/15/us/politics/giuliani-russian-disinformation.html--------- https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/15/trumps-fake-new-biden-scandal-has-deeper-purpose-bannon-revealed-it/ Trump’s fake new Biden scandal has a deeper purpose. Bannon revealed it.The single most important fact about the laughably weak new scandal that President Trump is pushing about Hunter Biden and his emails is that we’re now seeing lots and lots of media stories about Hunter Biden and his emails. While Trump and his propagandists would surely prefer to have a more compelling scandal to tout, the thinness of this new gruel is largely secondary. What matters is the mere fact that many mainstream outlets are running articles with the words “Biden” and “emails” in them. We know this, because Stephen K. Bannon has already laid out the playbook we’re seeing here at length. But, as I hope to show, a look back at this playbook — and at the new pseudo-scandal itself — reveals not only its nefarious deeper purpose, but also why it will likely fail. Trump touted this shiny new toy at his Iowa rally on Wednesday night. He referenced the now-widely discussed New York Post story, which “reports” that Hunter Biden received emails from a Ukrainian executive that supposedly show he arranged access to his father, Joe Biden. “Joe Biden has been blatantly lying about his involvement in his son’s corrupt business dealings,” Trump shouted, claiming those emails are a “smoking gun.” There are all kinds of problems with the new allegations. The emails — purportedly from Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to Burisma, the company that paid Hunter Biden to sit on its board — show Pozharskyi thanking him for arranging a meeting with his then-vice president father. But the sourcing of the emails is hilariously suspect. They were supposedly transferred to a hard drive by a Delaware computer repair store owner from a laptop that Hunter Biden supposedly dropped off. But the owner won’t say he’s certain the customer was Biden, and, weirdly, he never returned for it. Worse, Bannon and Trump lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani — who alerted the New York Post to the story and provided the hard drive — are refusing to make it available to other news outlets. The “smoking gun” email was reproduced in photo form, and one expert told The Post’s Glenn Kessler that it has no traceable metadata. Meanwhile, the Biden campaign checked Joe Biden’s schedule and found no such meeting, and no one has shown it happened. (If some kind of perfunctory handshake introduction did happen, even that wouldn’t necessarily show corruption.) That gives the lie to Trump’s claim about what this “smoking gun” supposedly proves. To top it all off, this nefarious arrangement is cast as the prelude to Biden corruptly forcing out a Ukrainian prosecutor who was supposedly investigating Burisma, to protect his son’s business arrangements. But that story is based on fiction: The ouster of the prosecutor was backed by international institutions because he was corrupt, and there was no investigation of Burisma at the time. Bottom line: Biden just didn’t abuse his official powers to do anything corrupt on his son’s behalf, and this new fakery doesn’t change that at all. So what is it supposed to accomplish? We know from Bannon himself. The Bannon playbookBannon’s basic insight has long been that for such smears and disinformation to work, they must somehow get vaulted out of the conservative media bubble and into mainstream news coverage. Back when Bannon was first trying to get the general bundle of right wing Biden-Ukraine smears taken seriously, journalist Joshua Green explained how all this works. He reported that Bannon was frustrated that these stories were “stuck in the conservative ecosystem.” The Bannon playbook dictates that such efforts must “enter the public consciousness” as something other than “conservative attacks,” Green explained. It was only through getting “coverage in the mainstream press” that they might get “weaponized” or “legitimized.” Trump and Giuliani, of course, managed to get extensive mainstream coverage of these smears and lies by launching the scheme that led to Trump’s impeachment. So this backfired on Trump, which undercuts the notion of Bannon as some kind of Svengali. But this playbook still helps explain what we’re seeing now. An unsolved media problemTrump’s last-ditch hope is to cast a vague pall of corruption over Biden. Lots of mainstream press stories about newly discovered laptops and secret emails and meetings between Biden family members and mysterious foreign influence peddlers might help spread that miasma — no matter how absurd or unsubstantiated the details, which few pay attention to. To be clear, coverage of this story has been sharply skeptical and lacerating. And it probably should be covered, since it does have some news value. But plainly, the mere fact of covering smears and disinformation, even negatively, itself rewards their purveyors. This is a difficult pitfall without an obvious answer, one that Brian Beutler memorably dubbed the “conservative sh-tstorm” problem. But it’s obvious that in some general sense the media often does get gamed by it (see, But her emails!), and that many media figures to this day refuse to reckon seriously with it. That said, this latest effort could further backfire on Trump. Precisely because Trump is so addicted to right-wing media, and so unable to grasp that audiences outside that bubble have seen endless such smears of Joe Biden but have only grown to like him more, Trump will see the story widely pushed there and assume it must be effective. Which will only mean Trump wastes more time talking about Hunter Biden when he really needs to be giving millions of voters a real reason to get over their deep alienation from him. And time is running out. 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sid waddell
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 9:16pm |
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But, but, but, Noam Chomsky is a neo-con Reaganite, or something Noam Chomsky: "If you don't push the lever for the Democrats, you are assisting Trump" |
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sid waddell
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 9:36pm |
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Wonder does Hetfield still think this about AOC
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 10:31pm |
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Chomsky's urging of the US electorate to vote for the least worst option in a binary choice between two utter c**ts is a far cry from your unqualified approval of imperialistic war mongers like Biden and the Clintons. It shouldn't be like this.Sanders and Corbyn showed us that another world is possible and actually attainable. But you and your sort f**ked it up and forced the false dichotomy of fascistic reactionism or the neoliberal status quo upon us. And I refuse to accept that. |
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sid waddell
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 10:34pm |
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But Chomsky is saying the exact same thing as me, as is Sanders Sanders and AOC are part of the Biden campaign According to you, that makes them all flaming Reaganite right-wingers You really haven't remotely any of this through and it is hilarious to watch Unfortunately the only other world you'd like for people is the gulag
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sid waddell
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 10:45pm |
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Also if you were remotely interested in "a better world" you'd be interested in strategies to bring that about - not to prevent it ever happening, which is the only thing you seem to be interested in
If you were interested in a better world you'd be pointing to the disaster of the Trump regime, the racism, the human rights abuse, the corruption, the sidling up to dictators, the denial of democracy, the policies to ensure climate destruction, and why it must end You'd be pointing out the human rights abuses in China, India, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Brazil and other places If you were interested in anti-racism you'd be talking about the hurdles people of colour have to overcome just to vote in the US, never mind have an equal shot in society You'd be talking about the Black Lives Matter movement and issues around that You'd be telling us about the racism in Ireland and those who seek to uphold it We've heard precisely zero from you on any of that But we have heard a lot of pro-Trump, alt-right narrativising from you Your views on politics are so cringeworthy it's untrue Sort of reminds me of Glenn Greenwald - the eejit who supported the Iraq War, now denies he did when his own words squarely show he did, claimed for years to be on the left, and now spends all his time trying to ensure Trump retains power Your views seem to be cogged straight off him It's hilarious You haven't a clue
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 11:11pm |
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Once again you only succeed in undermining your own argument. Your man, Biden, played a leading role in ensuring that the Iraq War, which led to the deaths of a million people and created the greatest refugee crisis in the history of humanity, took place. If you are not aware of this then read about it. Ignorantia juris non excusat. If you know about this and just don't care, then shame on you.
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 11:17pm |
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Some whataboutery, ignore every point made and deflect
Biden point is valid but so is every point Sid made, none of which you managed to raise a valid point against
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NewtNewbie
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 11:37pm |
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What points? No-one in their right mind supports the Chinese oppression of the Uigher people nor the Saudis publically beheading people.This really ought to go without saying. But no-one on this forum is openly and enthusiastically supporting this sort of barbarism. Who am I do argue against? Is my failure to bring up these issues on a daily basis on an Irish football forum to be taken as an implicit support of various international atrocities? If so, you, and everyone else on this forum, are guilty of precisely the same thing. Whataboutery? Sid brought up the Iraq War despite ardently supporting one of its leading proponents. I directly addressed a point sid made and showed him up yet again for his arrant hypocrisy.
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sid waddell
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Posted: 18 Oct 2020 at 12:10am |
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Wow, a you posted Latin, along with your use of "logical fallacy" and the vicious personal abuse, the right-wing troll calling cards sure are mounting up Biden voted for the Iraq War, everybody knows that He did not play a leading role in ensuring it took place, not least because neither he nor the Democrats were in power either as regards the presidency or in the Senate So, exactly how do I succeed in undermining my own argument? Flesh that out You still haven't said who you'd vote for if you had a vote, you're still pushing far right talking points, you still haven't criticised the Republicans or Trump in any way, you haven't even advanced any progressive points of view, and you still haven't addressed a single one of my points The evidence is seriously mounting up against you here |
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sid waddell
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Posted: 18 Oct 2020 at 12:13am |
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What hypocrisy? Your output since I became aware of you as a poster has been classic pro-Trump troll stuff Posters like you are ten a penny on the Current Affairs section of boards.ie |
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Posted: 18 Oct 2020 at 12:21am |
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Lies. 'When the war was debated and then authorized by the US Congress in 2002, Democrats controlled the Senate and Biden was chair of the Senate committee on foreign relations. Biden himself had enormous influence as chair and argued strongly in favor of the 2002 resolution granting President Bush the authority to invade Iraq.' Edited by NewtNewbie - 18 Oct 2020 at 12:24am |
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sid waddell
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Posted: 18 Oct 2020 at 12:35am |
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So Biden argued for the war At this stage, who f**king cares? To paraphrase the leading architect of the war, you're either against fascism or you're with it And it's pretty clear you're for it The attempt to portray Trump as the anti-war candidate by right-wing trolls like yourself is one of the most grotesque attempts at spin you'll ever see |
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Posted: 18 Oct 2020 at 12:43am |
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I care, you sadistic c**t. A million people died. You don't care about a million people meeting a violent end in the name of US imperialism but you're worried about 'fascism'? Get f**ked you despicable old fraud.
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sid waddell
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Posted: 18 Oct 2020 at 12:55am |
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You do in your hoop care A sad far right troll is all you are My advice is to quit drinking It doesn't agree with you There'll be some meltdown from you if your beloved Trump doesn't win, I bet But that's alright, he'll "win", and you'll be delighted, not least because people of colour will be kept down And that's just fine for a bourgeois hipster fascist like you Sorry, couldn't resist
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MC Hammered
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Posted: 22 Oct 2020 at 9:43pm |
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Anyone got the Borat - Giuliani clip?
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sid waddell
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Posted: 22 Oct 2020 at 10:40pm |
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You'd be better off going to Porn Hub and typing "76 year old man masturbating" and take your chances It would likely still be less gross
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Posted: 22 Oct 2020 at 11:05pm |
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We all have our little kinks. Don’t shame me. I know what I like and I like what I know.
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