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a munster 2nd row by the name of grobler is to make his return this weekend away to Racing 92 after a two year ban for taking an anabolic steroid. I know that all drugs in sports should be banned, but surely something like this should hold a longer ban than two years?
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Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Decent podcast on Off The Ball with Michael Rasmussen, Danish cyclist banned for PED's. Goes into detail about what he was taking, etc.
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Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

Stuck this in the Man City thread, more than likely be ignored there so i'll put it here too

Some reading on Pep for you.

In 2001 playing for Brescia, Pep had tested positive twice against Piacenza & Lazio. Both samples showed levels of the anabolic steroid nandrolone. Nandrolone improves athletes ability to train harder, recovery faster & help the body build muscle by producing extra protein.

Guardiola tested six times the legal limit. He was given a 4 month ban & €50,000 fine.

“Before Piacenza I only took the multivitamins that Dr. Ramon Segura, my trusted physiologist, has prepared for me for six or seven years."

Dr. Ramon Segura, who also represented Frank De Boer, who tested 5 times the limit to Nandrolone 7 months before Guardiola while playing for Barcelona.

Segura claimed the supplements were contaminated & the cause of the positive test. Investigations found this wasn't possible. Segura joined Guardiola at Barcelona in 2009. In 2010 the club were fined €30,000 for failing to provide accurate details of their players’ whereabouts.

Then there is Luis Garcia del Moral - who was 1 of the 3 doctors banned for life following Lance Armstrong's life ban. He provided riders with EPO, blood transfusions & masking agents. Where was he also a medical advisor? FC Barcelona.

Del Moral is the third doctor (Segura & Dr. Eufemiano Fuentes are the others) with links to doping to be associated with FC Barcelona.

Then he goes to Munich, has a big fall out with all the medical staff funnily enough, I wonder why?

And then Manchester City were fined THREE TIMES within the first 6 months of Pep Guardiola's appointment for violations of anti-doping regulations.


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On the above, pep has sent Gabriel Jesus to Barcelona for treatment on his injury

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City are doing well when the only complaints about them this season involve human rights abuses in the Middle East and a badly injured player being sent to a specialist

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What's you opinion in drugs in football and Pep's dodgy links to known doping doctors Baggio?

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Originally posted by Croftman Croftman wrote:

Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Decent podcast on Off The Ball with Michael Rasmussen, Danish cyclist banned for PED's. Goes into detail about what he was taking, etc.
That's the drive home later sorted Thumbs Up
The paper review with Harrington on Sunday was very good

Interesting to hear him say he doesnt regret taking the PED's as everyone was on them anyway.
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Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

What's you opinion in drugs in football and Pep's dodgy links to known doping doctors Baggio?
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That's a great forum, those cycling lads know their stuff to a scientific level. Lots of talk about the Brescia connection, the widespread blood spinning in football and Aicar rumours. 


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Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

What's you opinion in drugs in football and Pep's dodgy links to known doping doctors Baggio?
 
I have very little opinion or interest in drugs in sport
 
Are these players not dope tested regularly though?
 
 
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No where near as much as other sports. The problem is the piss test is seen as an inconvenience rather than an actual test. A blood passport similar to athletics helps but even then with microdosing that can be beaten. With good docs and sports scientists an adverse analytical finding can be avoided.
Lance Armstrong famously said that he'd never failed a test (was taken down by whistleblowers).
 
Football is a prime candidate for EPO, imaging being able to press and sprint in the 90th minute as well as you can in the 1st.
 
 
This is the thread I meant to link to.
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

What's you opinion in drugs in football and Pep's dodgy links to known doping doctors Baggio?
 
I have very little opinion or interest in drugs in sport
 
Are these players not dope tested regularly though?
 
 


No they are not, out side of major competitions it hardly exists.

So as a city fan, you don't really care or have any interest in the obvious links to Pep, who himself was banned. Not having a go, it's just the general attitude of 99.9% of football fans

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Originally posted by Flanno7hi Flanno7hi wrote:

No where near as much as other sports. The problem is the piss test is seen as an inconvenience rather than an actual test. A blood passport similar to athletics helps but even then with microdosing that can be beaten. With good docs and sports scientists an adverse analytical finding can be avoided.
Lance Armstrong famously said that he'd never failed a test (was taken down by whistleblowers).
 
Football is a prime candidate for EPO, imaging being able to press and sprint in the 90th minute as well as you can in the 1st.
 
 
This is the thread I meant to link to.
 
 
 
From 550 players to play in the Premier League, 799 samples


Hahaha.

So I think there are oficially some professional cycling teams of 25 riders, that have more tests per year than the entire English Premier League - the most lucrative sports league in the world, and all 550 of its players.
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I find that info about Guardiola very alarming, if anyone was surrounding themselves with doping doctors in athletics you would just look at those runners and say they are drug cheats.

You'd wonder why the journalists aren't going after the football and drugs story, then you remember the amount of coverage they put into it, the amount of money they make from advertising, so it's best not to investigate the white elephant on epo sitting in the corner, wearing a light blue jersey.


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I find that info about Guardiola very alarming, if anyone was surrounding themselves with doping doctors in athletics you would just look at those runners and say they are drug cheats.

You'd wonder why the journalists aren't going after the football and drugs story, then you remember the amount of coverage they put into it, the amount of money they make from advertising, so it's best not to investigate the white elephant on epo sitting in the corner, wearing a light blue jersey.
 
Like BBC spoty Mo Farah?
 
 
People don't want to spit in the soup as Tyler Hamilton said. I wouldn't say it's a uniquely Pep situation. Klopp's Dortmund could sprint for Jamaica and  long distance for Kenya.
 
Doping in football has been around forever, look at Germany in the 54 WC final.
 
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It could be in this thread (haven't got time to go through it) but didn't someone post up links from Twitter a couple of years ago about Dortmund/Kagawa (why his performances weren't great for United and it came up that certain types of doping weren't illegal in Germany. Blood spinning might have been one.
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Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

What's you opinion in drugs in football and Pep's dodgy links to known doping doctors Baggio?

 
I have very little opinion or interest in drugs in sport
 
Are these players not dope tested regularly though?
 
 


No they are not, out side of major competitions it hardly exists.

So as a city fan, you don't really care or have any interest in the obvious links to Pep, who himself was banned. Not having a go, it's just the general attitude of 99.9% of football fans


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Originally posted by deco911 deco911 wrote:

Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

What's you opinion in drugs in football and Pep's dodgy links to known doping doctors Baggio?

 
I have very little opinion or interest in drugs in sport
 
Are these players not dope tested regularly though?
 
 


No they are not, out side of major competitions it hardly exists.

So as a city fan, you don't really care or have any interest in the obvious links to Pep, who himself was banned. Not having a go, it's just the general attitude of 99.9% of football fans


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If true, Clyne's situation is different. Cocaine is only banned in sport simply because of legal reasons and to protect the sport's reputation, whatever that means. Taking cocaine to improve athletic performance is like taking whiskey to improve sexual performance. The UK anti-doping agency had a document leaked before the London Olympics that suggested that bans for recreational drugs were harsh, I would agree with that thinking.
There is clearly a problem with doping in football though, although it is hardly new, as Flanno has pointed out.
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And let's not forget the great juventus team on the 90s

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-drug-scandal-that-blackens-the-name-of-juves-team-of-the-nineties-728710.html

Remember watching a documentary on YouTube about them

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