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Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

4-5-1 came before the World cup, we played it against Holland in a friendly a few months previous


Yeah which caused us to show out hand for the WC
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Originally posted by armahibee armahibee wrote:

Mad to hear him say we could have won something, I always thought I was delusional, we have fallen so far in recent years, hope we see a generation like that again in my lifetime Cry

As said previously, all we were missing was a striker.
I do think if we had qualified for 92 we could have got to a 1/2 final or final as that was probably our peak with experience.

But we can’t have any complaints - 2 Good world cups and some massive wins.


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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

4-5-1 came before the World cup, we played it against Holland in a friendly a few months previous


Yeah which caused us to show out hand for the WC

Would you have wanted us to go to the World Cup having not played the formation so it was a surprise to our opponents?
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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by armahibee armahibee wrote:

Mad to hear him say we could have won something, I always thought I was delusional, we have fallen so far in recent years, hope we see a generation like that again in my lifetime Cry

As said previously, all we were missing was a striker.
I do think if we had qualified for 92 we could have got to a 1/2 final or final as that was probably our peak with experience.

But we can’t have any complaints - 2 Good world cups and some massive wins.



We had good strikers. John Aldridge was one of the best in Europe in the late 80s. It was a specific type of striker we didn't have, someone with blistering pace or even as quick as Lineker would have been ideal. 
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

4-5-1 came before the World cup, we played it against Holland in a friendly a few months previous


Yeah which caused us to show out hand for the WC

Would you have wanted us to go to the World Cup having not played the formation so it was a surprise to our opponents?


I didn't say that.  We got the Dutch again only a couple of months after we beat them with the new system and they knew how we were going to play.  We surprised them in Tilburg.
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Did anyone manage to get their hands on the Penneys Jack Charlton t shirt?   None in my local Penneys yesterday


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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by armahibee armahibee wrote:

Mad to hear him say we could have won something, I always thought I was delusional, we have fallen so far in recent years, hope we see a generation like that again in my lifetime Cry

As said previously, all we were missing was a striker.
I do think if we had qualified for 92 we could have got to a 1/2 final or final as that was probably our peak with experience.

But we can’t have any complaints - 2 Good world cups and some massive wins.



We had good strikers. John Aldridge was one of the best in Europe in the late 80s. It was a specific type of striker we didn't have, someone with blistering pace or even as quick as Lineker would have been ideal. 

 
Can't really remember myself but I always assumed Aldridge was pacy in his earlier days for Ireland given Jack played him out wide. No?


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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Did anyone manage to get their hands on the Penneys Jack Charlton t shirt?   None in my local Penneys yesterday

You’re fairly getting out and about these days TJ.

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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Did anyone manage to get their hands on the Penneys Jack Charlton t shirt?   None in my local Penneys yesterday

You’re fairly getting out and about these days TJ.

Well done.


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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

4-5-1 came before the World cup, we played it against Holland in a friendly a few months previous


Yeah which caused us to show out hand for the WC

Would you have wanted us to go to the World Cup having not played the formation so it was a surprise to our opponents?


I didn't say that.  We got the Dutch again only a couple of months after we beat them with the new system and they knew how we were going to play.  We surprised them in Tilburg.

it certainly looks like you did.
Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Same with the Mexican and Dutch losses.  Bound to put you back on your heels a bit.  And again the ageing squad didnt help.  He switched from 4-4-2 to 4-5-1 in that world cup.  Then switched back to 4-4-2 in Anfield upon request from the players.  In his peak he knew what to do and that was it. There was no questioning or asking the players.

It was really lucky that the Dutch fixed the World Cup group draw in December, and the results in June, so that when we faced off again in the second round, they knew the tactics we'd use.
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Whats your beef with what I wrote?  He started using 4-5-1 in competitive games for the first time at the World Cup and used it in Tilburg.  The Dutch used to us playing 4-4-2 against them were caught on the hop that night and were better prepared in Orlando. 

But sure pick holes if it makes you feel better
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Whats your beef with what I wrote?  He started using 4-5-1 in competitive games for the first time at the World Cup and used it in Tilburg.  The Dutch used to us playing 4-4-2 against them were caught on the hop that night and were better prepared in Orlando. 

But sure pick holes if it makes you feel better
So he didn't switch to 4-5-1 in the world cup?
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

4-5-1 came before the World cup, we played it against Holland in a friendly a few months previous


Yeah which caused us to show out hand for the WC

Would you have wanted us to go to the World Cup having not played the formation so it was a surprise to our opponents?


I didn't say that.  We got the Dutch again only a couple of months after we beat them with the new system and they knew how we were going to play.  We surprised them in Tilburg.

Regardless, they'd have examined how we were playing anyway and prepared accordingly. The win in Tilburg had nothing to do with the individual errors that cost us in Orlando.  
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by armahibee armahibee wrote:

Mad to hear him say we could have won something, I always thought I was delusional, we have fallen so far in recent years, hope we see a generation like that again in my lifetime Cry

As said previously, all we were missing was a striker.
I do think if we had qualified for 92 we could have got to a 1/2 final or final as that was probably our peak with experience.

But we can’t have any complaints - 2 Good world cups and some massive wins.



We had good strikers. John Aldridge was one of the best in Europe in the late 80s. It was a specific type of striker we didn't have, someone with blistering pace or even as quick as Lineker would have been ideal. 

 
Can't really remember myself but I always assumed Aldridge was pacy in his earlier days for Ireland given Jack played him out wide. No?
Long time ago but I never really remember us being stuck for pace, fair enough cas, quinn and also to a lesser extent aldo where cut from the same cloth but would some high end pace made any difference? Personally I think a world class attacking midfielder would have being more beneficial especially with Kelly, coyne and bryne towards Jack's latter years. All academic but as mentioned if duff and Keane where 10 years older 
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