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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

I find point 3 there very hard to believe, that people were ejected from the bar. As you say yourself in point 2 it serves a particular kind of clientele.
Just going by what the Belly Telly said.

And frankly these days, they're no great friend of the NI team.
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A few people singing an offensive sectarian song in a bar makes the story a bit problematic.

The only thing that make it a football story is that they were wearing NI shirts and it took place on a match day. But really it is outside the remit of the IFA or UEFA and is a problem for society in general rather than a football one. There's no conclusive proof these individuals even attended the match.
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Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

A few people singing an offensive sectarian song in a bar makes the story a bit problematic.

The only thing that make it a football story is that they were wearing NI shirts and it took place on a match day. But really it is outside the remit of the IFA or UEFA and is a problem for society in general rather than a football one.
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Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

There's no conclusive proof these individuals even attended the match.
Technically not, I suppose.

But if they've come from Castlederg and they're wearing NI tops in a bar in South Belfast on a Sunday when NI are playing, I think we must assume they were at the game.

But here's the thing. I was at the game (Estonia, too) and there was nothing like this to be heard at any stage. In fact, I've not met anyone who even knew the song previously. It seems that it is an import from a certain Scottish club (surprise, surprise).

Either way, it's disgusting, shameful behaviour, end of.
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There's a few neanderthals about, just like any fanbase. I've only had good experiences living in Belfast and being out and about on matchdays with friends of mine who support NI. 

Everyone walking into this particular bar would know what kinda spot they're walking into. When you have a bar like Laverys a 2 minute walk round the corner as an alternative and you choose this spot, like as has been said it's a particular clientele.

All the IFA can really do is condemn it and I think a good move would be to try and identify those singing and banning them from NI matches. But outside of that it's really difficult to do anything. 
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Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

I'm not offended. Feel sorry for them that they still sing about religion which is just one big fairy tale

Indeed, but they're not showing their religious prejudice by abusing atheists or humanists (although with encouragement and given enough Bucky, who knows?).

The conflict's clearly about nationality not religion, but as long as 85-90% of voters pick sides that are happy with the shorthand Prod/ Taig stereotype, the problem will endure.

Broadly what Terri says above. The Royal's an old man's pub for Rangers fans. It may have some newish matchday regulars since the Supporters Club round the corner closed. I had a pint there with my brother before our Korea game last year. Everyone well-behaved.
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Originally posted by Floreat Ultonia Floreat Ultonia wrote:

Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

I'm not offended. Feel sorry for them that they still sing about religion which is just one big fairy tale

Indeed, but they're not showing their religious prejudice by abusing atheists or humanists (although with encouragement and given enough Bucky, who knows?).

The conflict's clearly about nationality not religion, but as long as 85-90% of voters pick sides that are happy with the shorthand Prod/ Taig stereotype, the problem will endure.

Broadly what Terri says above. The Royal's an old man's pub for Rangers fans. It may have some newish matchday regulars since the Supporters Club round the corner closed. I had a pint there with my brother before our Korea game last year. Everyone well-behaved.

The chant is f**king daft. Makes me laugh more than get offended as a non practicing Roman Catholic. 

Tiffany turning in her grave. Actually is she even dead? 

I would hazard a guess that the wallys singin it are not bouncing out of the bed on a Sunday to help out the local vicar

Non practicing Protestant extremists - odd bunch.
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Originally posted by d13dave d13dave wrote:

Originally posted by Floreat Ultonia Floreat Ultonia wrote:

Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

I'm not offended. Feel sorry for them that they still sing about religion which is just one big fairy tale

Indeed, but they're not showing their religious prejudice by abusing atheists or humanists (although with encouragement and given enough Bucky, who knows?).

The conflict's clearly about nationality not religion, but as long as 85-90% of voters pick sides that are happy with the shorthand Prod/ Taig stereotype, the problem will endure.

Broadly what Terri says above. The Royal's an old man's pub for Rangers fans. It may have some newish matchday regulars since the Supporters Club round the corner closed. I had a pint there with my brother before our Korea game last year. Everyone well-behaved.

The chant is f**king daft. Makes me laugh more than get offended as a non practicing Roman Catholic. 

Tiffany turning in her grave. Actually is she even dead? 

I would hazard a guess that the wallys singin it are not bouncing out of the bed on a Sunday to help out the local vicar

Non practicing Protestant extremists - odd bunch.

No.She's only 47. Big smile
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The song is a disgrace as are those singing it. 

I was at both games and have never heard the song before.  I didn't hear any singing at either game that could be considered sectarian. 

Both games were played in a noisy passionate atmosphere (Belarus in particular).  I really enjoyed both.  
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Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:


The song is a disgrace as are those singing it. 

I was at both games and have never heard the song before.  I didn't hear any singing at either game that could be considered sectarian. 

Both games were played in a noisy passionate atmosphere (Belarus in particular).  I really enjoyed both.  


The bouncey would be controversial enough
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Our NoI friends looking to sweep this under the carpet as some sort of non issue, it's par with the mindset of a vast majority up there.

It's 2019 and this is being discussed within Unionism.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/exunionist-mp-open-to-review-of-orange-order-rules-on-catholic-services-37954771.html
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

So what the NI fans tried to say and whats been revealed:
 
It was in a bar nowhere near the stadium - nope it was in a popular watering hole for fans heading to Windsor
 
It was from years ago - it was Sunday night as San Marino v Scotland can be seen on the screens in the background
 
They're dregs of society - probably true
 
They're not real NI fans - a few of them have been tracked down on social media as as being from Castlederg (bogball was right), so unless they put on NI shirts and went up to Belfast for a Sunday night, i'd be pretty sure they're Northern Ireland fans heading to the match.
 
 
Who do you mean by "the NI fans"? All of us?

Anyhow, some facts might not go amiss.

1. Whether the bar is a mile from the ground or a hundred miles is neither here nor there (pun intended) - the IFA can hardly be expected to police, or answer for, what went on;
2. The bar in question is not on the main drag on the way to the ground, for supporters to just drop in as they pass. It is known for serving a particular kind of clientele, shall we say, and no-one who goes there is unaware of what that clientele may be like;
3. That said, the Belfast Telegraph is today reporting that:
"While it was a despicable spectacle it should be noted that the offenders - mostly young and drunk - were swiftly ejected from the bar and their behaviour was roundly condemned by other patrons.";
4. The IFA immediately issued a statement condemning it unreservedly, noting that if any of the offenders can be identified, they will be banned from NI games. (One club whose members were said to be involved also issued a statement condemning it, if that means anything);

Finally, a quick look at the OWC site shows that those NI fans, at any rate, unanimously condemn this disgusting display, without equivocation or qualification, inc wanting the scumbags involved to be banned for life.

The post which best sums it up was probably this one:

It's Groundhog Day every time one of these clips resurfaces. The usual outrage from people who have literally no interest in us having a successful cross-community team, but will feign it anyway so they can pretend this is what's putting them off.

Ultimately the pricks responsible are the pricks responsible, and I doubt they give two f**ks. It's beside the point, but there couldn't have been more than about 10 people singing the offending lyrics, which, by the way, date back a good 3-4 years but are mainly heard around the Twelfth.

Outside the stadium, I don't know what the IFA can do. A football association can't change decades of ingrained hatred, passed on by parents, fomented by separate schooling, segregated housing etc.

I couldn't give two f**ks about ROI fans sing this, Michael Conlan walks out to that, sure look at Paddy's Day blah blah blah whataboutery. I care about Northern Ireland and I wish these dicks would f**k off and let the rest of us just enjoy our days out.


It will never be a cross-community team till they ditch the anthem and union jacks and agree on something neutral something along the lines of what barry mcguigan did. 
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Originally posted by bogball88 bogball88 wrote:

Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:


The song is a disgrace as are those singing it. 

I was at both games and have never heard the song before.  I didn't hear any singing at either game that could be considered sectarian. 

Both games were played in a noisy passionate atmosphere (Belarus in particular).  I really enjoyed both.  


The bouncey would be controversial enough

We do the bouncy in Limerick.  Not to mind all the clubs in Italy.  
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Originally posted by bogball88 bogball88 wrote:

Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:


The song is a disgrace as are those singing it. 

I was at both games and have never heard the song before.  I didn't hear any singing at either game that could be considered sectarian. 

Both games were played in a noisy passionate atmosphere (Belarus in particular).  I really enjoyed both.  


The bouncey would be controversial enough
Is that a reference to Robert Hammill? For NI fans have been doing The Bouncy since before the poor man was murdered. We got it from Rangers, who themselves got it from other Scottish clubs, as far back as the 70's (or beyond?).

Or is it a reference to the new version that Rangers now sing ("If ye cannae do the Bouncy you're a Tim")? For if it is, you should note that not only do we not use those words, but we don't even use the same tune.

Either way you can file that one in the (long) list of lies about our team, such as that Windsor Park was named after the Royal Family, despite having been built 12 years before they even adopted the name. Confused


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Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:

Originally posted by bogball88 bogball88 wrote:

Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:


The song is a disgrace as are those singing it. 

I was at both games and have never heard the song before.  I didn't hear any singing at either game that could be considered sectarian. 

Both games were played in a noisy passionate atmosphere (Belarus in particular).  I really enjoyed both.  


The bouncey would be controversial enough

We do the bouncy in Limerick.  Not to mind all the clubs in Italy.  
Do they still shout no surrender during GSTQ?
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Originally posted by bogball88 bogball88 wrote:

Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:

Originally posted by bogball88 bogball88 wrote:

Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:


The song is a disgrace as are those singing it. 

I was at both games and have never heard the song before.  I didn't hear any singing at either game that could be considered sectarian. 

Both games were played in a noisy passionate atmosphere (Belarus in particular).  I really enjoyed both.  


The bouncey would be controversial enough

We do the bouncy in Limerick.  Not to mind all the clubs in Italy.  
Do they still shout no surrender during GSTQ?

Yes, every game 
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Originally posted by daveyc daveyc wrote:

It will never be a cross-community team till they ditch the anthem and union jacks and agree on something neutral something along the lines of what barry mcguigan did. 
I (and many other NI fans I know) would be delighted if they replaced GSTQ, but I guess the IFA feel that just now they could do without the sh*tstorm that would inevitably follow. 

As for the UJ, the IFA hasn't flown that for years. Nor is it illegal for fans to carry it and if a few still bring one to games, they are a small and decreasing minority. (The two most prominent are from Lambeg and Scarva, who have been bringing their flags for decades. They'll die some day)

Meanwhile, I imagine that when it comes to your team, the FAI considers itself to be an Association for all Irish people, regardless of background or community etc. 

In which case, may we expect them to drop the Tricolour and Soldiers Song, in order to make it genuinely "neutral" and inclusive of the whole of Ireland?


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LOL Yeah union jacks are that few at Windsor these days that you can actually narrow it down to just scarva and lambeg
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