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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 24975 |
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Exactly.
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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gspain
Ray Houghton Joined: 21 Apr 2010 Status: Offline Points: 4676 |
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We will never know what would have happened. It was a catastrophic error. They are entitled to feel hard done by. I think had it finished scoreless in Belfast it would have been a very nervous 2nd leg that could have gone to penalties. As for karma re the Henry flag. Well I do recall a song which I'm sure those who travelled prior to November 2009 will also remember to the tune of the banana boat song "Diego, Dieeego Diego scores and the Brits go home. Diego, Dieeego Diego scores and the Brits go home. Not once but twice and with his hand Diego scores and Brits go home."
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 24975 |
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Glad I never had the displeasure to hear that monstrosity of a chant at aways Probably sung by the very gobsh*tes that roared for United,Liverpool, Leeds the very next weekend. |
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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gspain
Ray Houghton Joined: 21 Apr 2010 Status: Offline Points: 4676 |
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I trust the MUFC in your username stands for Monaghan United FC. England are our main rivals so why not (well I can see why post 2009 ). Edited by gspain - 11 Jan 2018 at 10:47pm |
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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But there's not a team in the world wouldn't prefer to survive the home leg 0-0 rather than 1-0 behind, nor any would spurn a 1-0 away win, if given the choice. More specifically, as I've referred to earlier, Michael himself has said that his approach to the home game was heavily influenced by an injury scare to Steven Davis in training the day before the game. As by far our best attacking midfielder, the doubt whether he'd last inevitably made Michael more cautious than he might otherwise have been. This was compounded by the fact that another attacking midfielder, Jamie Ward, lacked game time with Forest, and a third, Stuart Dallas, was crocked by a bad tackle in the 7th(?) minute. Therefore Michael's priority went from winning the game to not conceding. Albeit with a healthy slice of luck, he came within that late penalty of succeeding, and I'm sure he had had a plan in mind for Basle on that basis. But that goal changed the return in two ways. First, it undoubtedly settled/relaxed the Swiss. And second, Michael had to be a bit more cautious, at least to start with, since if we let one in out there, the Swiss would undoubtedly have shut up shop, and we're not usually good enough to score twice in circumstances like that. Which explains why we were still a bit cagey in the first half in Basel. But by the second half, we began to take the game to them, and by ther end the Swiss were rattled, even despite having an (away goal) advantage. OK, the Swiss were a "better" team than us in terms of having better players, at least. And such teams usually win ties like this. But the "better" team doesn't always win, even over two legs, and considering how that penalty was ultimately the only thing separating the two sides, I'm sure we were quite capable of coming out on top had the game in Belfast finished scoreless. But heyho, that's all ancient history now, so I feel we just have to suck it up, accept that it happened, and get on with things.
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 24975 |
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I was brought up supporting two teams (or face adoption) by the auld fella As regards the LOI, I went to Galway and St Pats games before but I'd rather concentrate my efforts on a team I actually support. England couldn't care less about us and it's not a rivalry when the 'Auld Enemy' sees Germany as an actual rivalry. They're not our rivals imo if it's not a mutual feeling. |
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 24975 |
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Could you provide a link for the first bit in bold? As for the second bit in bold, it's either conjecture on your part or a flat out lie . Given how N.I. play, the priority is to keep it tight defensively at home and not concede especially in a playoff/away goal scenario, rather than go out and win the game at home. A first leg 0-0 at home isn't a bad result.
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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Floreat Ultonia
500 Club la la la Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Location: Dudley, England Status: Offline Points: 733 |
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You can't really equate how we played generally in qualifiers from 2014, with the Swiss game. Without winning all of those 7 games we could have finished 3rd both times and not progressed.
Fancy that ;) If every defeat or failure to qualify for either of our teams is instant karma, you could fund a curry buffet for the entire board... Edited by Floreat Ultonia - 12 Jan 2018 at 11:15am |
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Reildogg
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What 'Late' penalty? |
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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Anyhow, I can't find an exact quotation after this time, but Kenny Archer refers to it here: "Skipper Steven Davis is a model of consistency, although O'Neill revealed that he had an injury scare in training ahead of winning his 100th cap last Thursday"
Northern Ireland boss Michael O'Neill hopes a raucous Windsor Park crowd can help drive his team to a first-leg win over Switzerland in the World Cup play-off. And some time after the whole thing was over, Michael gave his considered thoughts on the two games in an interview. I can't find it now, but he confirmed again the Davis injury, this time adding that it had also affected/inhibited our other players, since they look to him as our Captain, talisman and best/most experienced player. (At the time, I thought Davis just had a poor game, but now it seems he was playing within himself, so as not to be ruled out of the return leg.) Anyhow, he went on to add that the Davis injury (plus Ward and Dallas) caused him to alter his approach to the first leg. Meanwhile, on your general observation, the point about Michael is that he has no single template for how he approaches games. On the contrary, he specifically tailors his selections and tactics according to who we are playing. So when we play weaker sides, for instance, esp at home, we go out and attack them (eg Azer 4-0 in Belfast). When we play clearly superior sides (eg Germany), we play to our strengths (defence), and hope to keep them out. And when we play comparable sides (eg Swiss or Czechs), we opt for a middle ground. Additionally, the context of each game is important. Norway are a poor side (imo), so normally we would have taken them on at home. But by the time they came to Belfast, they HAD to win to have any hope of finishing second, so we knew they'd attack. So Michael just kept it tight in defence and then picked them off on the break. Or when we later went to Baku, Azer were clearly up for it and actually played quite well. But as we were already in a strong position for second place, so instead of "going for it", we actually fell back in defence as the game went on (to consolidate the point), before sneaking a winner in the 93rd minute. Anyway, as I say Michael reacts to circumstances before, and even during, each game and he has explained how/why his approach to the Swiss game in Belfast had to be amended due to personnel problems. P.S. Why would I make up lies about such stuff? I mean, what would it prove to anyone, esp so far after the event? Bizarre notion.
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Trap junior
Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39505 |
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Michael O'Neill's off to Scotland for the better whisky. That Bushmills wasn't doing the trick. It's Johnnie Walker from now on.
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Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more...
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Sham157
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David Jeffries is surely a shoe in if Mickey does indeed jump dinghy
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Double Maxim
Robbie Keane Joined: 24 Sep 2008 Location: Sunderland Status: Offline Points: 42820 |
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Michael O'Neill has turned do Scotland.
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Double Maxim without doubt the greatest drink in the world
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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What with Wales appointing that dipstick Giggs, all we need is for nothing to happen to Gareth Southgate anytime soon, and it will have been quite a week for international football in the (ahem) British Isles. Or should that be "Na hOileáin Bhriotanacha"?
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Sham157
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So whats the difference between the O’Neills whoring themselves out? Based on Terrys post above and only Terrys btw, he seems more than happy that Mick is staying with the 6
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Drumcondra 69er
Jack Charlton Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Online Points: 7106 |
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They're happy with him, for a start.
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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First, after 6 years during which he has completely transformed our fortunes, he doesn't owe us a damned thing. Second, when he originally agreed his contract with NI, he accepted the insertion of a hefty compensation clause to the IFA should any other national association want to appoint him. (I don't think it applied for a club job, though I could be wrong). Third, it cannot have been mere financial considerations money which caused him to attend the interview, since it has been widely reported that even after going as far as they could/would, the SFA offer was still slightly lower than what the IFA were offering. And finally, when the SFA declared their interest, but before the IFA allowed him to speak to them, he held a meeting with the IFA where they discussed the IFA's plans for the future (youth development, coaching, scouting etc). He also continued watching young eligible players and worked on plans for our summer tour to Central America, plus our South Korea friendly in March. Meanwhile, when he spoke to the SFA, reports indicate that it was as much a case of him interviewing them and the other way round. In particular, he wanted to know their plans for the game in Scotland down the line. When he eventually turned them down it suggests to me that his overriding concerns were career ones, rather than selfish, personal ones. I don't feel any resentment that he underwent that process - on the contrary, it is one of his great strengths that he never loses sight of "the bigger picture", whether that be the team he's managing, or the career that provides for his family etc. |
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Reildogg
500 Club la la la Joined: 12 Feb 2016 Location: Limerick Status: Offline Points: 501 |
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No - let's go with Oileáin Iarthair Eorpa.
Edited by Reildogg - 22 Jan 2018 at 2:22pm |
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