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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

And then factor in turnout, 36% at the last locals, 65% at the last general. I would predict between 55% and 60% this time. Hardly a case for democracy!

I reckon in Scotland it will be nearer the 80% mark. There is a real kicking to be handed out and folk seem up for it.
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If you actually multiply the percentage of the electorate that voted for the last Governments, it is pretty grim reading:

2010: 58.1% for the Coalition, 65.1% turnout, 38.5% vote for the Government.
2005: 35.2% for Labour, 61.4% turnout, 21.6% vote for the Government.
2001: 40.7% for Labour, 59.4% turnout, 24.2% vote for the Government.
1997: 43.2% for Labour, 71.3% turnout, 30.8% vote for the Government.
1992: 41.9% for Conservatives, 77.7% turnout, 32.6% vote for the Government.
1987: 42.2% for Conservatives, 75.3% turnout, 31.8% vote for the Government.

Ireland by comparison:
2011: 55.5% for the Coalition, 70% turnout, 38.9% vote for the Government.
2007: 49.0% for the Coalition, 67% turnout, 32.8% vote for the Government.
2002: 45.5% for the Coalition, 62.6% turnout, 28.5% vote for the Government.

1997's election here ended up with independents supporting the Government so it is pretty difficult to calculate. Anyway, it all makes for grim reading. Governments are formed if they can get about a third of electorate to vote for them, here or there.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hoosay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2015 at 3:49pm
And you have clowns like Boris Johnson arguing that unions should not be allowed to vote for strike action unless more than 50% of the eligible members vote, the same argument could be made that about governments, or mayors.
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Scotland is in a different place GG so I think it could be quite high there.

Was just reading about the money spent on advertising the last UK general election. It worked out at just under 4 quid for every vote cast
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Originally posted by Hoosay Hoosay wrote:

And you have clowns like Boris Johnson arguing that unions should not be allowed to vote for strike action unless more than 50% of the eligible members vote, the same argument could be made that about governments, or mayors.

whilst i'm pro-union, i would tend to agree with this. we have continuous strikes in london because a handful of people are led by greedy militant unions. surely it has to have wide-scale support from union members, or at least a majority.

anyway, back on topic - yes we have a ridiculous system here... this year will be very interesting to watch.

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Originally posted by Hoosay Hoosay wrote:

And you have clowns like Boris Johnson arguing that unions should not be allowed to vote for strike action unless more than 50% of the eligible members vote, the same argument could be made that about governments, or mayors.


I think it is paramount it is applied to governments, councils and mayors. Democracy is a lovely idea in theory......
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Originally posted by londonirish londonirish wrote:

Originally posted by Hoosay Hoosay wrote:

And you have clowns like Boris Johnson arguing that unions should not be allowed to vote for strike action unless more than 50% of the eligible members vote, the same argument could be made that about governments, or mayors.

whilst i'm pro-union, i would tend to agree with this. we have continuous strikes in london because a handful of people are led by greedy militant unions. surely it has to have wide-scale support from union members, or at least a majority.

anyway, back on topic - yes we have a ridiculous system here... this year will be very interesting to watch.



On what basis? Why should an absent vote count as a no vote?
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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Originally posted by londonirish londonirish wrote:

Originally posted by Hoosay Hoosay wrote:

And you have clowns like Boris Johnson arguing that unions should not be allowed to vote for strike action unless more than 50% of the eligible members vote, the same argument could be made that about governments, or mayors.

whilst i'm pro-union, i would tend to agree with this. we have continuous strikes in london because a handful of people are led by greedy militant unions. surely it has to have wide-scale support from union members, or at least a majority.

anyway, back on topic - yes we have a ridiculous system here... this year will be very interesting to watch.



On what basis? Why should an absent vote count as a no vote?

Because if you are going to strike as a collective union, the union (or at least a majority of members) should at least vote to do so. If you have 100 people in a Union and they vote on weather to strike or not. Where's the sense in 20 of them voting...


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and i agree that should apply to votes such as the London mayor! Which i believe he won with about 30% turnout...
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Originally posted by Galoglas Galoglas wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

And then factor in turnout, 36% at the last locals, 65% at the last general. I would predict between 55% and 60% this time. Hardly a case for democracy!


I reckon in Scotland it will be nearer the 80% mark. There is a real kicking to be handed out and folk seem up for it.
if it gets to 80% in Scotland I'd like be amazed
The turnout was incredible for the referendum but for the general election I cannot seeing it reach 80%. However if it does then I expect the snp to get 50+ seats. The lower the turnout the more damage it'll do to the snp and that's because the traditional parties base/hardcore support will vote.

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Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by Galoglas Galoglas wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

And then factor in turnout, 36% at the last locals, 65% at the last general. I would predict between 55% and 60% this time. Hardly a case for democracy!


I reckon in Scotland it will be nearer the 80% mark. There is a real kicking to be handed out and folk seem up for it.
if it gets to 80% in Scotland I'd like be amazed
The turnout was incredible for the referendum but for the general election I cannot seeing it reach 80%. However if it does then I expect the snp to get 50+ seats. The lower the turnout the more damage it'll do to the snp and that's because the traditional parties base/hardcore support will vote.


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I think it will be in the high 70s% .In the old days a low turnout was good for the SNP as we could get our vote out its a completely different game now.
And yes the SNP are a very "traditional party" now in the sense that they aren't new guys on the block,though the way the English media re going on you would think they have arrived from Mars.
Just to give you some idea of how things have changed. Our local constituency had around 300 SNP members now it has over 1,500. SNP branch meetings are being attended by more people than the Tories can get for their Scottish conference. 
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How can you possibly not like Boris Johnson after this


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Because he is the ultimate old school tory ****, wrapped up in some sort of buffoon like comic facade. Bit like Jeremy Clarkson
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Because he is the ultimate old school tory ****, wrapped up in some sort of buffoon like comic facade. Bit like Jeremy Clarkson

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