UK Politics Thread

NewtNewbie wrote: I see Salmond wants to set up a separate anti-UK political vehicle, the Alba party. I've never really understood why the SNP receives such widespread popularity in Ireland. Quite apart from the Nats' repugnant political philosophy and fascistic history, Scotland are and have always been an imperialist force, as they were even prior to joining the UK, with their Darien Scheme project in the 17th century in Panama. And that's even before we consider Scotland's attempt to invade Ireland in the 14th century. They then went on to play a leading role at the vanguard of British imperialism. Weren't at least half a dozen of Britain's viceroys to India Scottish? And they then went on to colonise the 6 counties, committing the most appalling atrocities, as anyone who's read books on the subject knows. Nearly every high-profile Unionist has a Scottish name. But yeah, Scotland are the *victims* of colonialism rather than the perpetrators of it according to the Nats and many Irish people.  I find this attitude vastly more repugnant than when you see English c**ts' chauvinistic revelling in their imperialist past. At least they aren't posing as the victims. Scotland's history is not Ireland's history. But just why do so many Irish people buy into the Scottish 'victim' narrative? Is it just sheer stupidity and ignorance, or are more sinister forces at work?

I take a reasonable interest in the Scottish referendum discussions but am no anorak on the subject. I’ve not heard  much of the victim card - more a discussion on what path a modern Scotland (whose devolved parliament is peppered with Irish names) should take with a bit of the usual jingoism thrown in.

Dalymount79 wrote: NewtNewbie wrote: I see Salmond wants to set up a separate anti-UK political vehicle, the Alba party. I've never really understood why the SNP receives such widespread popularity in Ireland. Quite apart from the Nats' repugnant political philosophy and fascistic history, Scotland are and have always been an imperialist force, as they were even prior to joining the UK, with their Darien Scheme project in the 17th century in Panama. And that's even before we consider Scotland's attempt to invade Ireland in the 14th century. They then went on to play a leading role at the vanguard of British imperialism. Weren't at least half a dozen of Britain's viceroys to India Scottish? And they then went on to colonise the 6 counties, committing the most appalling atrocities, as anyone who's read books on the subject knows. Nearly every high-profile Unionist has a Scottish name. But yeah, Scotland are the *victims* of colonialism rather than the perpetrators of it according to the Nats and many Irish people.  I find this attitude vastly more repugnant than when you see English c**ts' chauvinistic revelling in their imperialist past. At least they aren't posing as the victims. Scotland's history is not Ireland's history. But just why do so many Irish people buy into the Scottish 'victim' narrative? Is it just sheer stupidity and ignorance, or are more sinister forces at work? I take a reasonable interest in the Scottish referendum discussions but am no anorak on the subject. I’ve not heard  much of the victim card - more a discussion on what path a modern Scotland (whose devolved parliament is peppered with Irish names) should take with a bit of the usual jingoism thrown in. I think reasonable people in countries with recent cultural shifts (financial independence at a young age relative to previous generations, rejecting religious doctrine, abortion access, same sex marriage etc..)like our own would listen with a sympathetic ear.

Saint Tom wrote: I bet this wally follows Glasgow septic

NewtNewbie wrote: I see Salmond wants to set up a separate anti-UK political vehicle, the Alba party. I've never really understood why the SNP receives such widespread popularity in Ireland. Quite apart from the Nats' repugnant political philosophy and fascistic history, Scotland are and have always been an imperialist force, as they were even prior to joining the UK, with their Darien Scheme project in the 17th century in Panama. And that's even before we consider Scotland's attempt to invade Ireland in the 14th century. They then went on to play a leading role at the vanguard of British imperialism. Weren't at least half a dozen of Britain's viceroys to India Scottish? And they then went on to colonise the 6 counties, committing the most appalling atrocities, as anyone who's read books on the subject knows. Nearly every high-profile Unionist has a Scottish name. But yeah, Scotland are the *victims* of colonialism rather than the perpetrators of it according to the Nats and many Irish people.  I find this attitude vastly more repugnant than when you see English c**ts' chauvinistic revelling in their imperialist past. At least they aren't posing as the victims. Scotland's history is not Ireland's history. But just why do so many Irish people buy into the Scottish 'victim' narrative? Is it just sheer stupidity and ignorance, or are more sinister forces at work?

Edited by Newryrep - 27 Mar 2021 at 3:05pm

NewtNewbie wrote: Newryrep wrote: NewtNewbie wrote: I see Salmond wants to set up a separate anti-UK political vehicle, the Alba party. I've never really understood why the SNP receives such widespread popularity in Ireland. Quite apart from the Nats' repugnant political philosophy and fascistic history, Scotland are and have always been an imperialist force, as they were even prior to joining the UK, with their Darien Scheme project in the 17th century in Panama. And that's even before we consider Scotland's attempt to invade Ireland in the 14th century. They then went on to play a leading role at the vanguard of British imperialism. Weren't at least half a dozen of Britain's viceroys to India Scottish? And they then went on to colonise the 6 counties, committing the most appalling atrocities, as anyone who's read books on the subject knows. Nearly every high-profile Unionist has a Scottish name. But yeah, Scotland are the *victims* of colonialism rather than the perpetrators of it according to the Nats and many Irish people.  I find this attitude vastly more repugnant than when you see English c**ts' chauvinistic revelling in their imperialist past. At least they aren't posing as the victims. Scotland's history is not Ireland's history. But just why do so many Irish people buy into the Scottish 'victim' narrative? Is it just sheer stupidity and ignorance, or are more sinister forces at work? Quite simply if scotland votes for independence NI is finished as is the UK  As regards empire building plenty of Irish like the Scots were part of it and benefitted from it  As for the snp and fascism I believe a previous leader commented favourably on sone aspects which was on a par with mist British parties  The current salmon sturgeon dispute has all the hallmark of back ops as plain as day  While the England establishment doesn’t give a monkeys about NI and to a certain extent Wales it has no intention of letting Scotland leave despite public protestations to the contrary  That goes along with my thinking; only the British establishment gains from the splitting of the independence vote. But then why is Salmond a part of this? Interesting to get your take on the issue.

The emergence of the new party, chaotic as it was and driven by internecine rivalry, nonetheless is not helpful to the Tory government. It makes independence more likely, not less. As others have correctly observed, London does not want to lose Scotland even if indifferent at best re NI. But indications are that it will happen and when that does, NI will follow fairly quickly as the UK will have ceased to exist. Even the normally docile Welsh are growing increasingly more belligerent towards London. All good fun, none of it factored in by the bonehead English nationalists when they lied and blustered on the road to Brexit.

Dalymount79 wrote: NewtNewbie wrote: Dalymount79 wrote: NewtNewbie wrote: I see Salmond wants to set up a separate anti-UK political vehicle, the Alba party. I've never really understood why the SNP receives such widespread popularity in Ireland. Quite apart from the Nats' repugnant political philosophy and fascistic history, Scotland are and have always been an imperialist force, as they were even prior to joining the UK, with their Darien Scheme project in the 17th century in Panama. And that's even before we consider Scotland's attempt to invade Ireland in the 14th century. They then went on to play a leading role at the vanguard of British imperialism. Weren't at least half a dozen of Britain's viceroys to India Scottish? And they then went on to colonise the 6 counties, committing the most appalling atrocities, as anyone who's read books on the subject knows. Nearly every high-profile Unionist has a Scottish name. But yeah, Scotland are the *victims* of colonialism rather than the perpetrators of it according to the Nats and many Irish people.  I find this attitude vastly more repugnant than when you see English c**ts' chauvinistic revelling in their imperialist past. At least they aren't posing as the victims. Scotland's history is not Ireland's history. But just why do so many Irish people buy into the Scottish 'victim' narrative? Is it just sheer stupidity and ignorance, or are more sinister forces at work? I take a reasonable interest in the Scottish referendum discussions but am no anorak on the subject. I’ve not heard  much of the victim card - more a discussion on what path a modern Scotland (whose devolved parliament is peppered with Irish names) should take with a bit of the usual jingoism thrown in. I think reasonable people in countries with recent cultural shifts (financial independence at a young age relative to previous generations, rejecting religious doctrine, abortion access, same sex marriage etc..)like our own would listen with a sympathetic ear. I see no evidence of this. Quite the reverse, in fact. Young people are regularly living at home and financially dependent on their parents well into their thirties these days, from what I've seen.  no idea what age you are - my parents went from leaving at home married like all their peers and generations before them - obvious exception are those who left for work-study away feom their home town within Ireland or emigration. Most in bigger towns all over where the same. I bet lots of those 30+s you refer to have been on many a sub holiday / backpacked in Aus and so on. Something very few born before mid-60s would have experienced until they were will into their 20s. You also ignored my response to your nonsense post about victimhood.

Have we a match tonight ?

NewtNewbie wrote: Dalymount79 wrote: NewtNewbie wrote: Dalymount79 wrote: NewtNewbie wrote: I see Salmond wants to set up a separate anti-UK political vehicle, the Alba party. I've never really understood why the SNP receives such widespread popularity in Ireland. Quite apart from the Nats' repugnant political philosophy and fascistic history, Scotland are and have always been an imperialist force, as they were even prior to joining the UK, with their Darien Scheme project in the 17th century in Panama. And that's even before we consider Scotland's attempt to invade Ireland in the 14th century. They then went on to play a leading role at the vanguard of British imperialism. Weren't at least half a dozen of Britain's viceroys to India Scottish? And they then went on to colonise the 6 counties, committing the most appalling atrocities, as anyone who's read books on the subject knows. Nearly every high-profile Unionist has a Scottish name. But yeah, Scotland are the *victims* of colonialism rather than the perpetrators of it according to the Nats and many Irish people.  I find this attitude vastly more repugnant than when you see English c**ts' chauvinistic revelling in their imperialist past. At least they aren't posing as the victims. Scotland's history is not Ireland's history. But just why do so many Irish people buy into the Scottish 'victim' narrative? Is it just sheer stupidity and ignorance, or are more sinister forces at work? I take a reasonable interest in the Scottish referendum discussions but am no anorak on the subject. I’ve not heard  much of the victim card - more a discussion on what path a modern Scotland (whose devolved parliament is peppered with Irish names) should take with a bit of the usual jingoism thrown in. I think reasonable people in countries with recent cultural shifts (financial independence at a young age relative to previous generations, rejecting religious doctrine, abortion access, same sex marriage etc..)like our own would listen with a sympathetic ear. I see no evidence of this. Quite the reverse, in fact. Young people are regularly living at home and financially dependent on their parents well into their thirties these days, from what I've seen.  no idea what age you are - my parents went from leaving at home married like all their peers and generations before them - obvious exception are those who left for work-study away feom their home town within Ireland or emigration. Most in bigger towns all over where the same. I bet lots of those 30+s you refer to have been on many a sub holiday / backpacked in Aus and so on. Something very few born before mid-60s would have experienced until they were will into their 20s. You also ignored my response to your nonsense post about victimhood. It's not not 'nonsense'. I've given you my subjective take on the matter. The SNP have fomented an Anglophobic grievance culture. If you disagree, well that's fine.  Scotland are the much-smaller junior partners in Britain's imperialist enterprises after their own colonialist ambitions failed, and resent England as a result. For what it's worth I have strong familial links to Scotland and am very fond of the country. I don't care one way or another if Scotland succeed from the Union, though from a personal point of view, it would be interesting to be eligible to be entitled to three passports rather than just two. It's just that for the above reasons I find the Scottish victim narrative rather galling given their history.