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Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by NewtNewbie NewtNewbie wrote:

Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

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Nice takedown of tory boot-licker, Kirsty Wark, on Newsnight last night.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BarnabyRaine/status/1321972804347187200

Never let the leading role the BBC took in the dispicable vilification-campaign of Corbyn be forgotten.

It was a full-scale establishment hit-job.

Eh ? she is labour through an through as can be seen by any of her interviews re scottish independence  - i am sure ET can verify 
 
Yeah, she has long-established links with the blairite, red-tory, entryist right of the Labour party. We know this.

But are you seriously trying to suggest she, Newsnight and the BBC as a whole were all that put out by the tory triumph over Corbyn's Labour at the last GE? She's a right winger.

Based on the above clip, do you think her conduct and approach was fair and balanced? Does she treat tories and their supporters with such derision and with so little respect?

Anyway, I doubt that guy will be invited back again anytime soon... 


I don’t have a lot of time for her because of her unionist leanings 

As for Corbyn his Achilles heal was brexit , the anti semitism was a smear but the lack of a position on brexit was the icing on the cake don’t know why they bothered with the smear he was dead man walking politically on the biggest question of a generation 

Why then mutilate Corbyn's political corpse when he's no longer Labour leader?

All of this is about demonising and effectively criminalising any criticism of Israeli apartheidism and oppression of the Palestinians, as well as anyone who questions the neoliberal status quo, and it would be wholly naïve for anyone to think otherwise.
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Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:


Eh ? she is labour through an through as can be seen by any of her interviews re scottish independence  - i am sure ET can verify 

Aye, deeply old school Scottish central belt Labour and unionist to the core. 

In the run up to the tightly contested, nail biting 2007 Scottish Parliament elections she was particularly vicious and disingenuous in her attacks against us "natz" as their kind so nicely call us.
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This video will make anyone happy if you're feeling a bit under the weather

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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

This video will make anyone happy if you're feeling a bit under the weather


Het won’t be happy.
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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Het won’t be happy.

Feeling inadequate cause I "ran rings" around everybody on the rugby thread?
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Brexit Party renamed to Reform UK - A party against any sort of local or national lockdowns.

I hate Farage but I can't help but admit he is a clever opportunist LOL A complete evil genius.
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Or a malignant narcissist, in a similar sociopathic vein to some of the company he enjoys. Not content with promoting economic ruin, he now wants his devotees to get ill and die while spreading the virus. You're doing a fine job, Nigel. Just not sure who for.
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Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

Or a malignant narcissist, in a similar sociopathic vein to some of the company he enjoys. Not content with promoting economic ruin, he now wants his devotees to get ill and die while spreading the virus. You're doing a fine job, Nigel. Just not sure who for.

The poor are disproportionately affected by Covid

Those who deny the need for a lockdown which would help to protect those disproportionately poor people from getting Covid - and protect the health services which protect people of all backgrounds suffering from Covid and every other type of medical problem - are disproportionately rich

Anti-lockdownism is concern from the rich for themselves dressed up as (fake) concern for the poor

They don't give a sh*t about the poor

Farage is no different in his "ideas" to the rich who ordered legions of the working class to get into the trenches in World War I or charge the battlefields of the Somme and Ypres and Paschaendaele

To Farage, the working class are a plentiful supply of raw meat, not human beings
 


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His relevance is waining. He spent almost two decades on the frontline trying to push "a discussion" about EU membership, effectively forced the Tory hand into a referendum, left his initial party as a husk, and set up a new one, which could influence votes in the final election in advance of Brexit. With two months to go, he has achieved what he set out to do, and is now trying to find an alternative.

Sure, he'll have his usual moronic supports carry him round like some sort of deity, but in the General in 2019 his Party picked up a meagre 2%, and that was with the the hot button issue, being the entire raison d'être of his party.


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Farage is not and never has been about winning votes in a General Election

He is not and never has been about being in power

He is about directing public discourse in a fascist direction, he is about dividing opposition to fascism so fascism can advance

He is a trojan horse for international fascism
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You're half right Sid.

Half right because Reform UK won't have any association with immigration etc or anything like that. It's purely an anti-lockdown party and that's it.

His involvement is significant because his last involvement with the Brexit Party forced the Tory party to shift their stance as a centre right party to a complete right wing party as the risk of defections and losing votes to Farage. Now he's threatening to gobble up all the 18-29 demographics and whitewash the Local elections in 6 months time and as you can see in the news as of right now, alot of Tories aren't happy with lockdown, so this involvement could force another shift towards herd immunity.

He doesn't need seats or to win a GE to become successful, he won his battle with the Brexit Party as he got what he aimed for without winning a seat. This new involvement will split political minds right down the middle depending what your views on COVID is.

This is why it's an evil genius move. 
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

You're half right Sid.

Half right because Reform UK won't have any association with immigration etc or anything like that. It's purely an anti-lockdown party and that's it.

His involvement is significant because his last involvement with the Brexit Party forced the Tory party to shift their stance as a centre right party to a complete right wing party as the risk of defections and losing votes to Farage. Now he's threatening to gobble up all the 18-29 demographics and whitewash the Local elections in 6 months time and as you can see in the news as of right now, alot of Tories aren't happy with lockdown, so this involvement could force another shift towards herd immunity.

He doesn't need seats or to win a GE to become successful, he won his battle with the Brexit Party as he got what he aimed for without winning a seat. This new involvement will split political minds right down the middle depending what your views on COVID is.

This is why it's an evil genius move. 
I'm fully right

Farage serves fascism and fascism only

Fascism constantly looks for strategies to divide the left and divide opposition to fascism

It creates false binaries - it constantly tries to create the perception of small groups within society who are in opposition to each other

This is a tactic which right-wing media also use, you'll see it in this country with Independent Newspapers and Newstalk etc.

Fascism sees whipping up anti-lockdown sentiment as yet another way of doing that

With Covid, fascism sets up a false binary of young v old, it uses mental health and people who have non-Covid ilnesses and sets them up as a false binary against necessary public health measures

It denies proper furlough packages to get people to rebel against lockdown

I said six months ago that the Cummings thing was a trojan horse to destroy compliance to lockdown 

See my post on the BBC a month or two back for another example of how fascism deliberately creates division to neuter opposition 

Farage has strong links to Russia and there are very strong elements of Russian "political technologists" in his strategy
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

yawn.
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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

I see Stephen Kinnock heavily criticised the Israeli government last week in a perfectly legitimate way and has been now accused of anti-Semitism

Starmer has to realise that what started as an actual anti-Semitic campaign against Ed Miliband, morphed into a vilification of Corbyn, and is now after Kinnock - who is the very definition of a milquetoast centrist - is not going to stop here

It's going to come for Starmer too and is already being framed to do so in such way by the Tory press

Starmer was a very prominent front bencher under Corbyn and he will not escape this vilification campaign either

Because none of it is about anti-Semitism - it is about fracturing and destroying the left - permanently 

British politics has descended into a Kafka-esque nightmare where the anti-racists are smeared as racists and the racists are painted as anti-racists 

Corbyn reinstated - obviously - there were no grounds to suspend him in the first place

And now the Tory press come for Starmer, as was inevitable

Anti-Semitism is used internationally by the right - the same people who have by far the biggest anti-Semitism problem - as a bad faith wedge issue to try and vilify, split and destroy the left

Until people on the broad left understand this and call it out, the beatings will continue

All this is part of the same international right-wing disinformation and propaganda war that gave us Trump


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They really are deluded scumbags. A British government minister saying that the reason they are rolling out the vaccine before anyone else is because they are a much better country than the French, Belgians or Americans. Unbelievable LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTJU0dUir_I




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While this blathering idiot is attracting widespread and thoroughly deserved ridicule ( great cartoon in the Guardian ), the EU has helpfully pointed out that this is not a football competition. One theory why this clown is still in a job despite his serial incompetence as a minister and gaffe prone behaviour generally is that he is a former Tory chief whip who has a shed load of dirt on Bojo and others further up the greasy pole.


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Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

While this blathering idiot is attracting widespread and thoroughly deserved ridicule ( great cartoon in the Guardian ), the EU has helpfully pointed out that this is not a football competition. One theory why this clown is still in a job despite his serial incompetence as a minister and gaffe prone behaviour generally is that he is a former Tory chief whip who has a shed load of dirt on Bojo and others further up the greasy pole.
Williamson has the most punchable face of any person in the public eye I can think of

It's incredibly punchable
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