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Because no one actually gives a f**k about  ‘which country is more racist’ it’s like discussing who sh*ts on his own people more - Assad or Alan Sugar, could go on forever it’s boring 

I hope I have answered your question.
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Can we get to f**k back to the UK election please. 

Because that was such a worthwhile contribution LOL

Why don't you provide something to discuss?
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Because no one actually gives a f**k about  ‘which country is more racist’ it’s like discussing who sh*ts on his own people more - Assad or Alan Sugar, could go on forever it’s boring 

I hope I have answered your question.

You don't get to decide what is boring for everyone else or what anyone else gives a f**k about, you only get to decide what is boring for you or what you give a f**k about. How about you actually bring up a point you want to discuss instead of the whinging? 
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Sorry but who are you again?
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Sorry but who are you again?

Random anonymous internet poster, same as yourself. Why does it matter?
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Because no one actually gives a f**k about  ‘which country is more racist’ it’s like discussing who sh*ts on his own people more - Assad or Alan Sugar, could go on forever it’s boring 

I hope I have answered your question.

“No one”. Well that’s just wrong. It has interested several people on the forum.

Backseat modding is something that annoys me a lot.
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Originally posted by the_walls the_walls wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Sorry but who are you again?

Random anonymous internet poster, same as yourself. Why does it matter?

I thought you were just someone who popped up like unwanted acne without making a meaningful contribution and fancied a bitch.

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Because no one actually gives a f**k about  ‘which country is more racist’ it’s like discussing who sh*ts on his own people more - Assad or Alan Sugar, could go on forever it’s boring 

I hope I have answered your question.

“No one”. Well that’s just wrong. It has interested several people on the forum.

Backseat modding is something that annoys me a lot.

Let's be honest here, look who started the whole subject and he's got you all knee deep into it. Now he's probably laughing his tits off people are daft enough to keep banging on about it.

Learn to ignore him already cos anything he says he's saying as a complete wind up LOL
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Originally posted by the_walls the_walls wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Sorry but who are you again?

Random anonymous internet poster, same as yourself. Why does it matter?

I thought you were just someone who popped up like unwanted acne without making a meaningful contribution and fancied a bitch.



Jesus LOLLOL. Calm down like a good lad LOLLOL

"without making a meaningful contribution and fancied a bitch"

Pot have you met kettle?!


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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Because no one actually gives a f**k about  ‘which country is more racist’ it’s like discussing who sh*ts on his own people more - Assad or Alan Sugar, could go on forever it’s boring 

I hope I have answered your question.

“No one”. Well that’s just wrong. It has interested several people on the forum.

Backseat modding is something that annoys me a lot.


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Originally posted by the_walls the_walls wrote:

Originally posted by **** **** wrote:

Can we get to f**k back to the UK election please. 

Because that was such a worthwhile contribution LOL

Why don't you provide something to discuss?

Right I will give it a go! 

Mayo man drops the hand and some auld doll in coppers and thinks it's fine because he denies it all. So, if this happened in the UK would he get away with it? Or would he go boom boom boom Prince Andrew on it? 
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You do understand that you are now contradicting your efforts to get a thread back on topic, which was never off topic in the first place?
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

You do understand that you are now contradicting your efforts to get a thread back on topic, which was never off topic in the first place?

Exactly 
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Originally posted by **** **** wrote:

Originally posted by the_walls the_walls wrote:

Originally posted by **** **** wrote:

Can we get to f**k back to the UK election please. 

Because that was such a worthwhile contribution LOL

Why don't you provide something to discuss?

Right I will give it a go! 

Mayo man drops the hand and some auld doll in coppers and thinks it's fine because he denies it all. So, if this happened in the UK would he get away with it? Or would he go boom boom boom Prince Andrew on it? 
FFS LOL
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

I’d fundamentally disagree that Ireland and the UK are capable of comparison on an electoral level in terms of immigration related voting. Ireland has never really had a history of giving more than a token scratch to candidates who make immigration or immigration control a central aspect of their platform. A prime example was the paltry vote the ICP used get when it stood candidates under the banner. The votes never tolled more than several hundred and in combination wouldn’t amount to a quota in any other constituency. Equally, we have had a handful of independent candidates who are not party registered and are irrelevant to the point of obtaining double figure votes, and making absolutely no impact at all.

Two exceptions might be Libertas in 2009 and Casey’s presidential Run. But, in Libertas’ case, it very specific to EU integration under the Lisbon Treaty as opposed to anything immigration related. Casey seemed more set on the Trump style outrageous statement approach, employing the nonsensical “say it as it really is” mantra. But, the common denominator in those cases was the profile and the resources available. The resources provided an avenue for a platform so as a result it’s hard to know if their limited and comparable success was based on a right leaning agenda, or they had the resources to get it out. But, it should be noted that neither Casey or Libertas were elected to any office.

When it has come to the conservative agenda, Ireland has not generally been guided by immigration issues, but by Christian values. The relatively high votes (compared with immigration control candidates) for parties like the CSP and the former iteration of the National Party speaks to this.

This is in comparison to the UK who had council’s under the control of the BNP, and given them 1% of the overall vote at a General Election, while voting two members in as MEP’s. And that’s only one aspect. You could delve deeper into the phenomenon of people voting Tory for immigration issues, the reformation of UKIP as an anti immigration orienteered party, the myriad of small far right parties that get several hundred votes in each constituency etc. 
My argument isn’t that they are comparable or incomparable, it’s that they shouldn’t be. It feels racist and divisive in itself and given the problem is something as a species we should be trying to eradicate and unite about, stupid to be discussing it using borders.
Given Ireland has a shorter has a short history of immigration and a long history of emigration, it should be a society without racism, but then all societies should. One of the many policies that I like in the Labour manifesto is to teach kids British history, particularly the Empire, properly. 
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

I’d fundamentally disagree that Ireland and the UK are capable of comparison on an electoral level in terms of immigration related voting. Ireland has never really had a history of giving more than a token scratch to candidates who make immigration or immigration control a central aspect of their platform. A prime example was the paltry vote the ICP used get when it stood candidates under the banner. The votes never tolled more than several hundred and in combination wouldn’t amount to a quota in any other constituency. Equally, we have had a handful of independent candidates who are not party registered and are irrelevant to the point of obtaining double figure votes, and making absolutely no impact at all.

Two exceptions might be Libertas in 2009 and Casey’s presidential Run. But, in Libertas’ case, it very specific to EU integration under the Lisbon Treaty as opposed to anything immigration related. Casey seemed more set on the Trump style outrageous statement approach, employing the nonsensical “say it as it really is” mantra. But, the common denominator in those cases was the profile and the resources available. The resources provided an avenue for a platform so as a result it’s hard to know if their limited and comparable success was based on a right leaning agenda, or they had the resources to get it out. But, it should be noted that neither Casey or Libertas were elected to any office.

When it has come to the conservative agenda, Ireland has not generally been guided by immigration issues, but by Christian values. The relatively high votes (compared with immigration control candidates) for parties like the CSP and the former iteration of the National Party speaks to this.

This is in comparison to the UK who had council’s under the control of the BNP, and given them 1% of the overall vote at a General Election, while voting two members in as MEP’s. And that’s only one aspect. You could delve deeper into the phenomenon of people voting Tory for immigration issues, the reformation of UKIP as an anti immigration orienteered party, the myriad of small far right parties that get several hundred votes in each constituency etc. 
My argument isn’t that they are comparable or incomparable, it’s that they shouldn’t be. It feels racist and divisive in itself and given the problem is something as a species we should be trying to eradicate and unite about, stupid to be discussing it using borders.
Given Ireland has a shorter has a short history of immigration and a long history of emigration, it should be a society without racism, but then all societies should. One of the many policies that I like in the Labour manifesto is to teach kids British history, particularly the Empire, properly. 

I suppose my point is that Ireland isn’t. It has its issues but not at the institutional level that the UK is. I appreciate that it shouldn’t be, but that should apply to all countries. Looked beyond race colour and creed. Simple stuff. But people seem to have trouble with that. And that’s how the appeal to people’s national instincts works to the extent that you might have no job, no education, no property and no prospects, but you still have the national myth of which you can claim to be a part of. That engenders the bogus victory of nationalism.

However, at an electoral level, Ireland has rarely voted with the fringes who propagate the national myth as a virtue. The facts speak to this, even if occasional examples buck the trend. This is a major opponent to British nationalism which manifests itself in votes for the BNP and similar parties over the past ten years. Ireland has never supporter racialist platforms or policies to anywhere near the extent that Britain has.
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I love a point being missed 
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I love a point being missed 

Trust me, it’s not missed or not agreed with.
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