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Coyne, your point appears to be that the army is a vehicle for disadvantaged people to get a good education and a job who otherwise wouldn't have access to such options. 

Now imagine that the government military budget was instead invested in free education, healthcare and employment. The people you are concerned about would have better career avenues to pursue than having to do a job where the general duties involve going to places where they risk getting blown up or potentially having to blow other people up. Neither of which sound great to me. 

Look at Britain's history of involvement in foreign conflict and that's the reality of the situation. You are joining to be part of a machine where you may be asked to do some pretty terrible things. It's no wonder they need AFD to give the military a shiny, loud and cool appearance. It's a marketing tool which is set up to appeal to people who don't have good options. 
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I hear ya MC.

But I think the mindset among employers are part of the blame too. I'll use PM's example of stacking shelves at Asda and they do require alot of pointless GCSEs for the role.

If you're 18 and with a criminal conviction, there's no chance of you getting that role and turn to Armed Forces as a desperate last resort, I know a few lads who signed up because they just simply wanted to earn an income! To this day all of them but 1 are discharged now.
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

I hear ya MC.

But I think the mindset among employers are part of the blame too. I'll use PM's example of stacking shelves at Asda and they do require alot of pointless GCSEs for the role.

If you're 18 and with a criminal conviction, there's no chance of you getting that role and turn to Armed Forces as a desperate last resort, I know a few lads who signed up because they just simply wanted to earn an income! To this day all of them but 1 are discharged now.
Wait a minute, you can join the British Armed forces if you are a convicted criminal? 
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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

I hear ya MC.

But I think the mindset among employers are part of the blame too. I'll use PM's example of stacking shelves at Asda and they do require alot of pointless GCSEs for the role.

If you're 18 and with a criminal conviction, there's no chance of you getting that role and turn to Armed Forces as a desperate last resort, I know a few lads who signed up because they just simply wanted to earn an income! To this day all of them but 1 are discharged now.
Wait a minute, you can join the British Armed forces if you are a convicted criminal? 

The mentality of the average recruit would suggest its an advantage.
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And I would hardlys call driving about in a Quad Bike as promoting mass murder like at the 1 I watched in S Shields, though people complain at owt these days
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Aye, owt.
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Aye, owt.
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Originally posted by AntrimMan AntrimMan wrote:

Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

I hear ya MC.

But I think the mindset among employers are part of the blame too. I'll use PM's example of stacking shelves at Asda and they do require alot of pointless GCSEs for the role.

If you're 18 and with a criminal conviction, there's no chance of you getting that role and turn to Armed Forces as a desperate last resort, I know a few lads who signed up because they just simply wanted to earn an income! To this day all of them but 1 are discharged now.
Wait a minute, you can join the British Armed forces if you are a convicted criminal? 

The mentality of the average recruit would suggest its an advantage.


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Can we have an 'Illegal interventionist and regime change war' day also?
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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

I hear ya MC.

But I think the mindset among employers are part of the blame too. I'll use PM's example of stacking shelves at Asda and they do require alot of pointless GCSEs for the role.

If you're 18 and with a criminal conviction, there's no chance of you getting that role and turn to Armed Forces as a desperate last resort, I know a few lads who signed up because they just simply wanted to earn an income! To this day all of them but 1 are discharged now.
Wait a minute, you can join the British Armed forces if you are a convicted criminal? 
I think you have to be. I think interviews are a bit like this.
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

I hear ya MC.

But I think the mindset among employers are part of the blame too. I'll use PM's example of stacking shelves at Asda and they do require alot of pointless GCSEs for the role.

If you're 18 and with a criminal conviction, there's no chance of you getting that role and turn to Armed Forces as a desperate last resort, I know a few lads who signed up because they just simply wanted to earn an income! To this day all of them but 1 are discharged now.
Which is the problem and has been since Thatcher systematically destroyed any mining or steel working community.

You take a large population, remove all hope and when all hope is gone they have a choice of being a military hero or on the dole. You then make society see the army as infallible, send said army off to the worst places in the world, give them medals for being ****s and make sure they learn their place in society; at the bottom.
When they return, scarred both physically and mentally, do absolutely f**k all to help them. They can have 'Remembrance Day' for that,where the ordinary public, who see these men as heroes, can pay for some of the victims of British neo-colonialism.

It is brilliant in its simplicity and based on the American model. AFD is an important part of such model.
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I agree with all of that tbh PM.
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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

I hear ya MC.

But I think the mindset among employers are part of the blame too. I'll use PM's example of stacking shelves at Asda and they do require alot of pointless GCSEs for the role.

If you're 18 and with a criminal conviction, there's no chance of you getting that role and turn to Armed Forces as a desperate last resort, I know a few lads who signed up because they just simply wanted to earn an income! To this day all of them but 1 are discharged now.
Wait a minute, you can join the British Armed forces if you are a convicted criminal? 


There's a penalty threshold and it's quite low. It is assessed on an individual basis, too, so they can make exceptions.

For example, a conviction for drunk and disorderly might not be a problem but one for burglary would be, with something like shoplifting or cannabis possession probably in between.
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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

I hear ya MC.

But I think the mindset among employers are part of the blame too. I'll use PM's example of stacking shelves at Asda and they do require alot of pointless GCSEs for the role.

If you're 18 and with a criminal conviction, there's no chance of you getting that role and turn to Armed Forces as a desperate last resort, I know a few lads who signed up because they just simply wanted to earn an income! To this day all of them but 1 are discharged now.
Wait a minute, you can join the British Armed forces if you are a convicted criminal? 


There's a penalty threshold and it's quite low. It is assessed on an individual basis, too, so they can make exceptions.

For example, a conviction for drunk and disorderly might not be a problem but one for burglary would be, with something like shoplifting or cannabis possession probably in between.
I have heard of cases where young men have been handed lesser sentences by judges because they have applied to join the army, yet it is rarely mentioned in the regional rags. It would be incredibly rare that someone would be turned down.
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I've seen lads who were in the Army and their CO was present for all court dates. They do take it pretty seriously for serving soldiers, although things are a bit different for those applying.
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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

I've seen lads who were in the Army and their CO was present for all court dates. They do take it pretty seriously for serving soldiers, although things are a bit different for those applying.
Yeah, that is true. There are plenty of examples of lads being thrown out for acting like squaddies etc., especially when home in Britain where they need to keep the reputation. In applying you would need to have done something pretty serious for it not to be ignored.
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PM, how did you come across this (as it were)?
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