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LDs apparently to announce their policy as full revocation of Article 50. This will play very well to their base.
 
At least they're off the fence, unlike Labour
Very different positions to be in. Being against Brexit has completely rejuvenated the Liberals as they have little to no other point or policy and have become the flag bearers for the remain movement. To do anything else would have been folly.

In fact, I would say that the more ideologically entrenched versions of the Tory Party and Labour is another point for the LDs. Politically, this has been manna from heaven as the LDs can now identify seats that they can fight for, where previously they had no chance, and I think they may well win them.

Ironically, during the Blair era when the LDs should have been a total irrelevance, they continued to pick up seats.
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Labour, LD and SNP MP's protesting in the Commons as Bercow closes parliament, then Bercow proceeds to throw insults at Tory MPs LOL

He really does hate them.

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The cheek of the Liberals sending me their propaganda in the post in a letter that made it look important, especially as I am waiting for such a letter! Very ****ish email sent! I hate those ****s more and more by the day.
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https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0911/1075231-brexit-court/

Scottish courts rule prorogation unlawful LOL






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Let’s make no bones about this, these are some of the highest and most distinguished judges in Britain essentially calling the PM, his team and cabinet ministers liars- and saying they lied to the Queen.



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This is bad for the Palace. The Queen relies on the sound and honest counsel from her prime minister not to put her in a position where she is acting a) politically b) controversially c) unlawfully. PM had already failed on A and B. C is a real kicker. Imagine they’re furious.



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What happens now?

Truly mental times 
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What happens now?

Truly mental times 

Apparently nothing substantive.

The Supreme Court in London will hear it next week.
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The Court found Boris lied to the Queen. Let that sink in LOL
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The Court found Boris lied to the Queen. Let that sink in LOL


What did he tell her?  Why was it a lie?   The British system is as mad as a box of frogs.  On a serious learning curve here.
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Poor Black Rod is gonna be working overtime this year.

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Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

The Court found Boris lied to the Queen. Let that sink in LOL


What did he tell her?  Why was it a lie?   The British system is as mad as a box of frogs.  On a serious learning curve here.

Basically he lied to her about the reasons why he needed to porogue parliament. Parliament cannot be porogued without the monarchs consent. 

The court stated... 

“Accordingly the court will make an order declaring that the prime minister’s advice to HM the Queen and the prorogation which followed thereon was unlawful and is thus null and of no effect.”

It will now go to the Supreme Court to make a final decision on Tuesday. 


Edited by colemanY2K - 11 Sep 2019 at 1:26pm
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Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

The Court found Boris lied to the Queen. Let that sink in LOL


What did he tell her?  Why was it a lie?   The British system is as mad as a box of frogs.  On a serious learning curve here.

Basically he lied to her about the reasons why he needed to porogue parliament. Parliament cannot be porogued without the monarchs consent. 


What did he say?  But this is just British ceremonial bullsh*t no?  She would never say ''on yer bike Boris'' no matter what he said. 

Words I have learned in 2019:  ''prorogue''


Mick McCarthy has today prorogued the EIRE team for 5 weeks.
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

The Court found Boris lied to the Queen. Let that sink in LOL


What did he tell her?  Why was it a lie?   The British system is as mad as a box of frogs.  On a serious learning curve here.

Basically he lied to her about the reasons why he needed to porogue parliament. Parliament cannot be porogued without the monarchs consent. 


What did he say?  But this is just British ceremonial bullsh*t no?  She would never say ''on yer bike Boris'' no matter what he said. 

Words I have learned in 2019:  ''prorogue''


Mick McCarthy has today prorogued the EIRE team for 5 weeks.

She likes getting her Black Rod out.


On a serious note - Can the courts overrule The Queen? Confused

She should take the country back and put Prince Andrew in charge, would be a popular choice imo.
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

The Court found Boris lied to the Queen. Let that sink in LOL


What did he tell her?  Why was it a lie?   The British system is as mad as a box of frogs.  On a serious learning curve here.

Basically he lied to her about the reasons why he needed to porogue parliament. Parliament cannot be porogued without the monarchs consent. 


What did he say?  But this is just British ceremonial bullsh*t no?  She would never say ''on yer bike Boris'' no matter what he said. 

Words I have learned in 2019:  ''prorogue''


Mick McCarthy has today prorogued the EIRE team for 5 weeks.

He told herself that he needed to porogue parliament in order to bring forward a new legislative program. The highest court in Scotland found this to be untrue and that the Queen acted unlawfully based on this untruth. The real reason the court found was to stymy parliamentary scrutiny with regards to brexit.

As you can imagine betty will not be best pleased to have been put in this position. 

If the Supreme Court in London agrees with the court in Scotland then parliament will have to be reopened. If the supreme Court disagrees with the highest court in Scotland then its a gift for Scottish nationalists to bleet on about the supreme court of the UK actually being an English supreme court which trumps Scottish law. 

All in all a fine mess. 
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Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

The Court found Boris lied to the Queen. Let that sink in LOL


What did he tell her?  Why was it a lie?   The British system is as mad as a box of frogs.  On a serious learning curve here.

Basically he lied to her about the reasons why he needed to porogue parliament. Parliament cannot be porogued without the monarchs consent. 


What did he say?  But this is just British ceremonial bullsh*t no?  She would never say ''on yer bike Boris'' no matter what he said. 

Words I have learned in 2019:  ''prorogue''


Mick McCarthy has today prorogued the EIRE team for 5 weeks.

He told herself that he needed to porogue parliament in order to bring forward a new legislative program. The highest court in Scotland found this to be untrue and that the Queen acted unlawfully based on this untruth. The real reason the court found was to stymy parliamentary scrutiny with regards to brexit.

As you can imagine betty will not be best pleased to have been put in this position. 

If the Supreme Court in London agrees with the court in Scotland then parliament will have to be reopened. If the supreme Court disagrees with the highest court in Scotland then its a gift for Scottish nationalists to bleet on about the supreme court of the UK actually being an English supreme court which trumps Scottish law. 

All in all a fine mess. 


I'm confused Ted.  Is there a difference between the legal system in Scotland and England? I thought its was all the same UK legal system?

Also why did Rees Mogg have to go to Scotland to visit the Queen? Could he not have met her in Windsor or Buckingham Palace?  I thought Boris never met her?

Also wasn't it well known he was abandoning parliament so that he could force through his kamikaze plan and waste time for the opposition?  Why is this such a surprise to the court?  I thought he was entitled to do it simply because he is the PM and can do it for any reason he likes?

So much pomp to goings on over there.


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Yep. There is a Scottish Legal system and an NI one too. They are intertwined, but there is one.

However, as this is an administrative law matter, I can’t imagine the legal tests to be widely different. As things stand this case has a 1-1 outcome and the SC will break the deadlock. No mandatory order was made here so it is really just a declaration. Depending on the outcome, the SC may go further. there are a number of challenges from England and NI too, so they may all travel together.


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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

The Court found Boris lied to the Queen. Let that sink in LOL


What did he tell her?  Why was it a lie?   The British system is as mad as a box of frogs.  On a serious learning curve here.

Basically he lied to her about the reasons why he needed to porogue parliament. Parliament cannot be porogued without the monarchs consent. 


What did he say?  But this is just British ceremonial bullsh*t no?  She would never say ''on yer bike Boris'' no matter what he said. 

Words I have learned in 2019:  ''prorogue''


Mick McCarthy has today prorogued the EIRE team for 5 weeks.

He told herself that he needed to porogue parliament in order to bring forward a new legislative program. The highest court in Scotland found this to be untrue and that the Queen acted unlawfully based on this untruth. The real reason the court found was to stymy parliamentary scrutiny with regards to brexit.

As you can imagine betty will not be best pleased to have been put in this position. 

If the Supreme Court in London agrees with the court in Scotland then parliament will have to be reopened. If the supreme Court disagrees with the highest court in Scotland then its a gift for Scottish nationalists to bleet on about the supreme court of the UK actually being an English supreme court which trumps Scottish law. 

All in all a fine mess. 


I'm confused Ted.  Is there a difference between the legal system in Scotland and England? I thought its was all the same UK legal system?

Also why dies Rees Mogg have to go to Scotland to visit the Queen? Could he not have met her in Windsor or Buckingham Palace?

So much pomp to goings on over there.
 
Scottish law is very different to English law. It is older than the union itself. Both countries have similar but separate court systems. there's a Supreme Court at the very top which is the highest court in the UK. Decisions by the SC are final unless you take the case to the european court of justice, however I understand this case cannot go to Europe.
 
Rees Mogg went to Scotland to meet the Queen simply because that's where she was at the time. She spends most of the year in balmoral. he would have met her in Windsor or Buckingham palace had she been there.


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It’s very clever from the Nats, they can’t lose. I think they last few weeks have guaranteed them another referendum and one I can’t see them losing.

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Boris will surely have to resign next week if the Supreme Court rules against him. You can't be lying to the Queen Big smile
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