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forza trapp
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Had a very interesting chat with a committee member in the IRFU at the weekend. The Rugby boys have really never trusted JD or indeed the FAI in relation to Lansdowne and there had always been a feeling the FAI could default on the payments. He told me the IRFU have a cash reserve to step in if this happens.
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OohAah...
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That would make sense explained like that alright. But let's take the figure of 1 million rent. In that scenario Id say the fai take all the gate receipts. However in our current scenario do fai not give half of theirs to the irfu? So that figure has come down now from 300 million to 150 million. Nearer to the 110 mark .Comparable. I honestly don't know the details to be honest but, the fact the fai made such a big deal about been part owners, when it's a trick of words as it turned out to be a lease. Edited this above, I don't know enough details to be honest so am only speculating Edited by OohAah... - 15 May 2019 at 9:25pm |
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inlikeflynn
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It needs an association, and a level of organisation, but does it need to be the FAI? I'm just thinking about it. You could pass the whole lot over to another body and the national teams would still exist, as would the club sides. I know that reform of the existing structures will probably be best, as there is a lot of technical knowledge within the FAI. But they are probably the least important element of the active football setup. I'm starting to think about FAI badges on the Ireland jersey, and think they've got a cheek to put their name on there. The Ireland team is much more than the FAI.
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eireland
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And JD on his new salary of 1 million a year. He was previously triple jobbing but now he'll be doing 200 jobs. Anyway we have hit an all time low.
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SuperDave84
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I don't think so. For example, the IRFU paid their share of the development costs with a reasonably priced 10 year ticket plan for the middle tier - they didn't share that with the FAI. I can only presume, on that precedent, that the same holds for the FAI and that they keep all their ticket revenue too. It all depends on the text of the co-ownership agreement but based on the facts as known, it appears that each side keeps their own gate money. The FAI are part owners of the stadium for basically the entirety of its usable life - while it is only a leasehold interest, after 50 years it'll be close to needing knocked and rebuilt anyway. And whatever of the maths maybe not making sense ten years ago, the key fact is that they make sense today. Look at it like this: You have two choices: You can pay €100m to contribute to a stadium and with interest on the debt, it'll cost you something like €150m, and it'll be good for fifty years, and you host about six games a year. Or You can pay €500k a game rent on the same stadium, when finished, for fifty years. Those are, allowing for inflation, basically equal options... in each case, it costs you €500k a game (in the first example, €150m for 300 games, in the second €500k per game, same difference). BUT, take the position after ten years, assuming you pick option A: At that stage, you have paid off €130m of the €150m (for the sake of argument here - they absolute key point is that you have paid off the majority of the debt). You are then given two options: Continue to pay down your debt of €20m OR take a cash sum now but then pay €500k a game for the rent for the stadium. €500k per game x 6 games x 40 years = a hell of a lot more than the €30m left on the debt. So it would all depend on the sum offered for the interest in the stadium. HOWEVER, there are quite a few problems with selling the interest in the stadium. The first is the loss of security it gives you. The second is the fact that you end up with the worst of both worlds, in having paid a lot of interest but ending up with nothing to show for it. The third is that you are a distressed seller which results in you receiving a lower price. The fourth is that there is only one clear buyer. In the example above, selling the interest in the stadium for anything less than €100m (seeing as that would give you the net position of having paid €30m for the ten year use of the stadium) would be absolutely bonkers, and there is no way that sort of sum is going to be forthcoming, given the difficulties outlined above. It will hopefully not be considered by the FAI but the fact is, if they do sell their interest in the Aviva to cover short term cashflow issues, they will not get near what it is worth, never mind what it will be worth in income in the future.
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OohAah...
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cheers Dave .Explained like that yeh makes sense
Big issue I have is with their use of the word coownership over and over again. It's a typical JD use of words. It's suggests everything is split between fai and irfu. When essentially it isn't Also we will never find out the exact detail of the contract I'm sure and I'd be surprised if it's not in the irfus favour Edited by OohAah... - 15 May 2019 at 10:52pm |
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deise316
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Indo reporting that UEFA are bailing out the FAI to the tune of 8 million. Or roughly, a little bit more than what JD earned (well, that we know of at the moment anyway) since becoming CEO/Executive Vice President/Horticulturalist.
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Picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.....
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Lenny82
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The IRFU won't be buying out their interest. Sure there are no other suitable tenants, unless they get permission to host 6 extra major concerts per year.
The FAI got a very good deal. €1m per game rent is a fair assumption. Could be twice that in another 10 years though without the current leasehold interest.
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Hans Moleman
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8 million. It really is sickening. I hope that snake gets ran out of the country.
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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eireland
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HOLY f**kING sh*t. I presume the FAI will have to pay this loan back at some point.
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Charlton's Child
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FAI in crisis: €10m safety net on table
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fai-in-crisis-10m-safety-net-on-table-38116838.html |
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wanderer
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Said it only yesterday that UEFA and FIFA would step in to keep the show on the road and here we are. A sad state of affairs that it's even come to this. Nothing is even reslly a shock when it's comes out anymore.
I presume next they'll appoint their own personnel, it's helped other associations before that were in difficulty.
Edited by wanderer - 16 May 2019 at 7:21am |
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Shoco
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But it is split as they are co-owners. Any events, use of corporate suites, concerts, basically anything outside of football/rugby matches is split between the associations.
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liam_in_germany
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There has to be a massive choreo against him at the next home game. A massive banner from the top tier down. Must b e kept on the qt. Also as many flares and smoke bombs that we can get
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Gabrieléire
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Happy days, keep it on the qt. Great start posting it on here.
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RogerMilla
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FIFA come in to prop them up , well that was always on the cards.
the FAI will take their cash and maybe FIFA will never ask for it back . all leverage that sportireland had has been reduced now
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The first time the Devil made me do it. The second time I did it on my own.
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reddladd
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Delaney should be hung out to dry but he probably won't purely down to the fact that many others were complicit so I would imagine there would be a huge fallout. Look at the accountancy firm who only discovers issues after the whole thing blew up. They weren't doing their job properly or these problems would have come to light earlier. Maybe people will be just happy to see him gone but if we want to do something about this type of corruption then you have to start somewhere. Delaney should be made an example of and enough evidence has come to light to do that if there's a will. There should definately be a protest from fans at the next couple of Ireland games. A couple of more innovative chants would be great instead of f**k Delaney and the FAI.
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I could agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.
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OohAah...
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Is this fact? I find it hard to believe
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