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    Posted: 20 Nov 2014 at 4:16pm
Originally posted by Clonbhoy Clonbhoy wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

When Sammon was capped for Ireland he was, at that time the highest scoring Ireland person AFAIK.


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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

I think with Charlton the success we had was unprecedented. We had never qualified for anything and here we were getting to Q/F of World Cups.  The football was caveman stuff but you cant complain if you had never qualified for anything before. Beggars cant be choosers.  If we had a history of qualifying regularly and playing nice passing stuff then you might have a case say like Spain or Italy.


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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

When Sammon was capped for Ireland he was, at that time the highest scoring Ireland person AFAIK.


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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

I think with Charlton the success we had was unprecedented. We had never qualified for anything and here we were getting to Q/F of World Cups.  The football was caveman stuff but you cant complain if you had never qualified for anything before. Beggars cant be choosers.  If we had a history of qualifying regularly and playing nice passing stuff then you might have a case say like Spain or Italy.

We have qualified a few times now for finals and I think the public want to see us do it with some good football now.
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When Sammon was capped for Ireland he was, at that time the highest scoring Ireland person AFAIK.
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Originally posted by savo01 savo01 wrote:

St. Ledger, Ward, Whelan, Andrews, Westwood, Forde, Pilkington, Salmmon all got their start under the Trappatoni guy!
You for real? Bar Sammon what's so funny?
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Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:

Dunphy gave O'Neill a bit of credit last night for unearthing Christie and McGoldrick but in the same breath, he has a dig at Trap to say that he never unearthed anyone.

The likes of Cox, Folan, Green and Lawrence were all first capped by Trap and had pretty decent starts to their careers. Was just another example of Dunphy not being able to give praise to someone without detracting from another.


Wilson, McCarthy, Coleman and Hoolahan and many many others were first capped by Trap.

AFAIK about 52 players played under Trap.
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Only watched Tuesday highlights last night. Sadlier right about Keanes stuff not having an impact on the players other than giving them a laugh. Dunphy talking through his hoop as usual.
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Originally posted by Clonbhoy Clonbhoy wrote:

Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:

Dunphy gave O'Neill a bit of credit last night for unearthing Christie and McGoldrick but in the same breath, he has a dig at Trap to say that he never unearthed anyone.

The likes of Cox, Folan, Green and Lawrence were all first capped by Trap and had pretty decent starts to their careers. Was just another example of Dunphy not being able to give praise to someone without detracting from another.

You are right. Folan, Cox and Green really changed Irish football

Anyway Cox made it known for a long time that he was eligible to play for us, Green supposedly wrote to the FAI informing of his eligibility, Lawrence was called up before Trapattoni came along and it was Steve Staunton who ''discovered'' Caleb Folan & wanted him for Euro 2008 qualifying campaign. Trapattoni did not find anyone.


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I think with Charlton the success we had was unprecedented. We had never qualified for anything and here we were getting to Q/F of World Cups.  The football was caveman stuff but you cant complain if you had never qualified for anything before. Beggars cant be choosers.  If we had a history of qualifying regularly and playing nice passing stuff then you might have a case say like Spain or Italy.

We have qualified a few times now for finals and I think the public want to see us do it with some good football now.
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Originally posted by SByrne24 SByrne24 wrote:

<span style="line-height: 1.4;">I think MON problem is, he </span>doesn't<span style="line-height: 1.4;"> know his best 11 or they haven't all been fit at one time to play them all together. Fingers crossed v Poland we'll have the full squad to unleash at the Pols including McGoldrick and Christie.</span>
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<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Dunphy is just a clown, nothing more. Gives the papers something to write about, complained about Jack Charlton back in the day to. </span>
the problem was he had Charlton sussed, caveman football etc. he hit a schism between football people and the barstoolers and was a necessary note of sanity at a time football became crazy here. The problem is he has made a career off being contrary and it's become tedious. And what's worse is it's spread across RTE sport, none cares for sensible analysis anymore, it's all about being contentious.
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Originally posted by SByrne24 SByrne24 wrote:

<span style="line-height: 1.4;">I think MON problem is, he </span>doesn't<span style="line-height: 1.4;"> know his best 11 or they haven't all been fit at one time to play them all together. Fingers crossed v Poland we'll have the full squad to unleash at the Pols including McGoldrick and Christie.</span>
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<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Dunphy is just a clown, nothing more. Gives the papers something to write about, complained about Jack Charlton back in the day to. </span>

There is a lack of a tactical philosophy too. There was obviously a system in place for Germany that worked defensively until Whelan went off. Friday night was naive. They hoped the Scots would go toe to toe physically and forget about all else, they didn't. Our midfield injuries were a massive problem but Gibson should not be in a game like that, not when he isn't fit enough.
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I think MON problem is, he doesn't know his best 11 or they haven't all been fit at one time to play them all together. Fingers crossed v Poland we'll have the full squad to unleash at the Pols including McGoldrick and Christie.



Dunphy is just a clown, nothing more. Gives the papers something to write about, complained about Jack Charlton back in the day to. 
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Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:

Ah here, I know how a forum works. Clonbhoy missed my point though and I wasn't arsed spelling it out for him. All he did was take the piss out of some Irish players.

You are right Dunphy is a clown and builds up Irish managers but in the end always turns against them. 

However the four players you mention are hardly a ringing endorsement of Traps recruitment policy.  Lawrence was a decent find alright (not sure he was much of a find) but he did play well for us for a campaign.  

The other three,  well the less said the better although Green probably had 2 decent games for Ireland.  

MON has got these 2 lads on board and they had promising debuts and we will see what happens. 

By the way MON has not done the business so far for Ireland as in my view we look directionless and we do not seem to have a style of play or any philosophy.  
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Yeah imagine posting up an opinion and someone challenging on you.  like that totally goes against the whole idea of a football forum..  For fck sakes clonbhoy what were you thinking.  



Madness. I apologise. Mr. Trap did very well calling people up too. I will try and get Eamonn to say so
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Ah here, I know how a forum works. Clonbhoy missed my point though and I wasn't arsed spelling it out for him. All he did was take the piss out of some Irish players.
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Yeah imagine posting up an opinion and someone challenging on you.  like that totally goes against the whole idea of a football forum..  For fck sakes clonbhoy what were you thinking.  
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