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Richmond Ultra
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Posted: 30 Oct 2014 at 1:40pm |
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http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/13254/ybig-issue-response-to-fai-statement-regarding-issue-scotland-ticketing-system/
My piece on the statement above for et. |
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dunloybhoy
Liam Brady Joined: 31 Mar 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 2662 |
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yeah I was wondering what people were requested say 3 or 4 for and were they expecting to get them. the CSC I was in when it came to getting away tickets for games it was based on the SC's requests during the season. due to not requesting as many as the Scottish based clubs when it came to smaller stadiums or high demands we got very few e.g. Hearts away 2/3, rangers away 10 but where they was no big demand like Kilmarnock away we could get 20 if need be. the SC's record was taken into account the allocation deemed fair IMO and then it was up to the individual SC to allocated based on their own policy's and rules. its the way it should be for our Ireland SC's if that's the FAI's policy to give tickets to them now as a priority. |
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put em under pressure!
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BigJ87
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Claret Murph
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Yes all for something to happen before or during the USA game , not in favour of flares , Arab Flags or Tennis balls to be honest .
Will JD ride the storm and come out the other side , i think he will as it just seems all this has happened before and it's just repeating it's self again and again .
Going back to as far back to Italia 90 the Holland game no tickets the the FAi manage to get top dollar tickets for then what was £135 ( huge amount of money then ) fans said no , the FAI made a deal and cut the price . Zellina again but this time we had to pay , not sure but i think it was €125 each .
We keep going over the same ground with the FAI it's just groundhog day all over again .
Well done Aido bye the way .
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WindBag
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Brilliantly concise summary Aido.....good to see ya back.
Cuts out all the bullsh1t and excellent conclusion.
anyone external reading it will understand the issue
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Sligo Hornet
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Excellent post Aido well written and thought out , no waffle just facts......very concise Why can't you be like that in real life?? Edited by Sligo Hornet - 30 Oct 2014 at 11:36am |
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Wallet ?? What the fcuk is that ?
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AidoM
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Lads and lassies,
I have been away from YBIG, except for some (very) odd posting for the last year or so; I have been lurking and keeping an eye on things but I feel the situation in the last few days has risen the blood pressure considerably.
First let me say that Kev and the lads who met the FAi deserve huge credit for the way in which they mobilised themselves and other fans.
I was, with others from YBIG, involved in discussions with the FAI in relation to a ticketing system a few years ago when I was a Fans Liaison Officer (FLO) in 2010/2011. As has been well documented here and elsewhere a system for allocationg away tickets based on season tickets, away match attendance was proposed to the FAI. The system, as proposed, would have been open and transparent.
At that time, the (infamous) "Ticket Office" was still in place in the FAI. Because the FAI's "business" was not ticketing they outsourced their ticketing arrangements to Ticketmaster. At that time the FAI began to comply with the FIFA/UEFA requirement that all travelling fans had to submit their details to the FAI. These details have been available to the FAI since that time. However, a fundamental flaw in that system was that the details of those travelling with the FAI's official travel agent, Abbey Travel, were not submitted to the FAI and I understand that it was a similar situation for people who got tickets through a (then smaller number of) supporters clubs.
YBIG at that time, and it has always been acknowledged by the FAI, was considered as being representative of fans' views; it was to YBIG that the FAI came when trying to get an atmosphere going in Croke Park and Landsowne ....... or more correctly YBIG approached them ........... and it has been through the efforts of YBIG and not the FAI that the Singing Section and other fan initiatives have taken off.
The FAI have known for a considerable time that the allocation for Scotland was going to be the minimum 5%. As with so much from them they failed to communicate this to anybody, fans or media, until very late in the day. The relatively long knowledge of the low allocation should have and could have enabled them to devise a fair system for allocating the tickets, but more importantly communicate to fans how it was going to be done. It has taken a week, in no small measure due to the efforts of Kev and the lads here, to extract from the FAI, with the same seeming degree of pain associated with dental extraction, to find out how they did it.
I have to agree with everything Kev has said in relation to them moving the goalposts for allocating away tickets. It had always been indicated by the FAI that priority would be given to season ticket holders followed by those who had travelled to away matches. JD made such statements prior to Euro 2012 and games before that; at no stage was it ever indicated that supporters clubs would get preference in the allocation of such tickets (and as has been stated here YBIG is not a supporters club - despite it's high level of involvement)
What has been very obvious in the last few days is that the FAI does not have any system for the allocation of tickets for away games ......... it seems to change depending on what way the wind is blowing ......they can (and apparently do) make it up on a match by match basis. The words such as "understand" and "indicate" that I have used above underline this, because it has never been possible to get a definitive position on it.
The FAI have been very quick to take advantage of YBIG but I have to say that at this stage I feel that YBIG has been let down big time by the FAI
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But what they do have and no-one can deny this now, they have the finest collection of boilers in the world! And I include Canada in that!
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WindBag
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Delighted that this is still going...the more we keep going the better....
Delaney may think this will die down and only certain cases but if we do something significant at USA game, more people will become awarte!!
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daithi
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Edited by daithi - 30 Oct 2014 at 11:07am |
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Just because it's tradition does not make it right
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seanyshuffler
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It appears the Scottish FA have responded to the FAI. I can't access the Scottish Sun though.
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/scotlandinternational/6042991/Rage-over-Euro-briefs.html |
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dunloybhoy
Liam Brady Joined: 31 Mar 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 2662 |
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whilst I got a ticket for the Scotland game through the supporters club im a member of in Belfast I still share the disgust of the fans here who didn't get a ticket.
to me, I don't feel I warrant a ticket over most of the people on here. yes I was in Germany the other week and last year as well but that wouldn't warrant me getting one over you guys. I am happy im going but not happy that a lot of people in a SC will get yet not having been to an away game in their lives. the lads in our SC have been to the euros, Estonia, Austria, Macedonia, wales etc. etc. but that's as individuals at different times. there's probably a handful who have a decent away record and deserve a ticket and yes they all go to the home games but its still not right to get as many. the FAI need a points scoring system in place against each person who travels to an away game, their record should be taken into account when requesting a ticket. the points should be against the individual and when it comes to tickets being divvied out those with the most points should get. just a query, I've seen some say they requested 3 tickets for example. is this based on the other 2 people they are asking for having a good away record to match theirs? because if they haven't a good away record how can they get a ticket? should tickets not be requested as an individual? god so many permutations! but seriously I do support the implementation of a away ticketing scheme. this should not happen again. |
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put em under pressure!
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danny10tot
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Lads, it has been the same for years. I have had this discussion with friends of mine ever since we laughed at how the FAI charged us a 2 euro 'handling fee' for the Italy away game in Bari in 09.....for a ticket that cost 10 euro from the Italian FA.
HOW CAN I MAKE MORE MONEY FROM THE FANS WHO ARE MORE FAMOUS THAN OUR OWN TEAM? I regularly go over to watch games in the UK and the way in which it is handled is perfect. You buy a membership at the start of the season and build up your points which allows you to buy tickets to away games. Everything is taken into account, attendance at home games, purchases in the club shop AND most importantly if you go to a sh*tty away game's for example in Wigan (apologies to any Wigan fans) you get 5 points, whereas if you go to man utd away you only get 1 point. The simple idea behind this system is that when it comes down to the big games the fans are aware just how many points are required before they can apply for tickets and if the tickets go unsold they go on sale to the next group of fans and so on. There are no xfactor sob stories, if you don't have enough points, tough! As far as the club are concerned it demonstrates that the loyalty the fans show is not gone unnoticed, however, this is quite clearly the opposite as far as the FAI are concerned. GREED |
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There'll be 2 pricks on whenever Delaney turns up
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Anyone know what time Delaney is on Today FM? prefer not to listen anymore of the unsufferable prick than I have to.
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MariborKev
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We can't keep stressing is enough, no-one is blaming supporters clubs. As you say, they do a lot and plenty of people who post in here are members of supporters clubs as well. The issue is that the FAI have taken a policy decision that supporters clubs have priority. So a member of a supporters club who does not have a season ticket and has no away record will now, under FAI policy, have priority over an individual supporter who has bought a season ticket and has an away record. Clearly there are members of supporters clubs who are both season ticket holders and regular away travellers and they have every right, same as us all. However in the meeting the FAI confirmed that it was possible for the non-season ticket holder, no away record to get tickets ahead of others. If you can find me the public FAI statements where they communicated this policy change please feel free to post it up. The FAI changed their policy and told no-one. First issue. They then claimed that they had allocated tickets to "known away supporters". Evidence here shows that there are clearly very well known away supporters who should have been in that category and were not provided tickets. This is so widespread as to make it clear that the FAI system is not working. The ticketing system should be clear and transparent. Thats it.
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kenaneym
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No problem newryrep. Im on both sides here, Im young but was only of the age to travel away with friends on my own to the euros and was in cologne last year ! As well as all the home games iv massive respect for the lads who get to all home and away games and im gutted to here that a good few did not get sorted with tickets. I also respect what supporters clubs are doing, the primary motive i would imagine for them is to arrange bus loads etc outside of dublin to travel to games increase numbers attending getting the buzz back the subscriptions charged by the clubs allow for buses to run at discounted rates and also used to buy season tickets depending on how many subs are receicved. Season tickets bought are then offered to members on a game by game basis to members who have not chosen to buy a season ticket. There is no fee paid to the fai whatsoever |
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