Harry Arter

pepper67 wrote: ..he likes a trip with the bournemouth lads

Maybe, just maybe, he actually has a dead leg at the moment.... I suppose that would be far too logical an explanation though

rolo wrote: The O'Shea wrote: Maybe, just maybe, he actually has a dead leg at the moment.... I suppose that would be far too logical an explanation though Maybe, just maybe, one of Aesop's Fables might explain why people are reacting this way.  You may, or may not, have ever read The Boy Who Cried Wolf. If you haven't, have a look. Spoiler alert: after numerous false cries of wolf, the villagers don't respond when there really is a wolf.  The moral of that story was  Liars are not believed even when they speak the truth.

Yet you, and all the rest who bemoan him, have absolutely no evidence that Arter has ever "cried wolf". So either provide it or politely jog on

Edited by The O'Shea - 21 May 2017 at 9:17pm

Apologies is was the Georgia/Moldova double header. Couple of my posts from April 1st:

rolo wrote: Roy Keane has said Harry Arter is unlikely to feature for the Republic of Ireland in their upcoming World Cup qualifiers with Georgia and Moldova, but there is positive news on Everton midfielder James McCarthy. Bournemouth’s Arter had a scan on a groin injury yesterday but the midfielder is still feeling tightness with the injury, despite a good outlook. Keane said that given the Georgia game is only 48 hours away, it is not looking like Arter will feature. “Again [Harry] is still being assessed. I think he was due a scan yesterday and I think the scan was pretty positive but obviously the player himself feels still a bit tight – he has not trained today and not been over. “If you don’t train two days before a game then that is not good news. So we just hope it might settle down in the next few days and might be available for the second game. But we wouldn’t be too hopeful once again.” The most important paragraph here is: Bournemouth’s Arter had a scan on a groin injury yesterday but the midfielder is still feeling tightness with the injury, despite a good outlook. I'll paraphrase: "Despite the scan showing that there is, in fact, no injury, the player maintains that he is injured. Therefore when the FAI medical staff receive said scan, and see no evidence of injury, they'll be reassured that he is actually injured, because he says so himself."

its called putting 2 and 2 together

Yes, you can blame people. They should judge each case on its merits rather than having their judgements clouded by the Grealish saga (I don't see why you include Hogan, he's never represented us anyway so he's hardly decided to turn his back on us?).

Here's the reality, Bournemouth pay Arter 10's of thousands of pounds every week. Do you really believe they would allow him to sit out a match if he wasn't genuinely injured, just to pull the wool over the FAI's eyes? It's not even as if they have any selfish interest to do so, it's the end of the season so they aren't in a position where they need to keep Arter fit for a "big game" in two weeks. That's without even getting into the potential repercussions for Bournemouth if they were demonstrated to be fabricating injuries.... All of the negative interpretations of Arter are are therefore completely irrational, there's nothing about them that makes any sense. Yet posters continue to peddle them unabated as if they are gospel...

Edited by The O'Shea - 21 May 2017 at 10:15pm

pepper67 wrote: hogan was asked to be part of the squad.he stated he wanted to concentrate on his club football due to the bad injury he had..did you believe him?i didn't...i didn't believe grealish with his excuses...im sorry but you need to understand footballers put themselves first not their country or the supporters...and you buy that it was just a coincidence he has been fit play for his club the game after pulling out of our squad on more than one occasion?or that he has only 3 caps?..he stated himself he wasen't happy not being brought on against serbia..im sorry but he has a take it or leave attitude when it comes to Ireland

I would have to agree with the above . Also take into consideration that Arter has been involved with the Irish set up since 15-16 years old . So it's not as if he hasn't been heard of in the last 2 years

pepper67 wrote: hogan was asked to be part of the squad.he stated he wanted to concentrate on his club football due to the bad injury he had..did you believe him?i didn't...i didn't believe grealish with his excuses...im sorry but you need to understand footballers put themselves first not their country or the supporters...and you buy that it was just a coincidence he has been fit play for his club the game after pulling out of our squad on more than one occasion?or that he has only 3 caps?..he stated himself he wasen't happy not being brought on against serbia..im sorry but he has a take it or leave attitude when it comes to Ireland

He has 4 caps. He made his debut less than 2 years ago and has at no point been higher than our 3rd/4th choice midfielder, how many caps do you expect him to have? Even if Arter is "putting himself first", and again there is no evidence this is the case, how do you explain Bournemouth being complicit in fabricating injuries when they have no incentive to do so and the potential repercussions are so high?

There funny is that there is literal video evidence of Arter being injured against Burnley last week and subsequently being substituted, yet some continue to construct fanciful tales of deceit and mystery to explain his absence

This thread has gotten beyond embarrassing at this stage.....

Who knows what Arter has going on in his life. His wife has just had a baby after previously losing one in horrific circumstances. Maybe he's coming under pressure at home and that is influencing his desire to travel. Maybe he got a pain in his hoop with the sh1te he took on social media when Merson suggested he should be in the England squad before he was competitively capped. Who knows but the idea that Bournemouth would deliberately not play him yesterday to enable him to miss the American trip? Sweet Jesus. He hasn't even pulled out of the squad yet.


Edited by Drumcondra 69er - 22 May 2017 at 11:27am