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Originally posted by mully_85 mully_85 wrote:

Is this how Ireland will look in four years?

Mark Travers: Current incumbent Darren Randolph will be closer to 40 than 30 in four years' time; not that age ever prevented Shay Given prolonging his sting between the stints but depth is minimal - for now.

Caoimhin Kelleher, already a Champions League medal winner, and Gavin Bazunu, of league champions Manchester City, may seem best placed. But Travers, who has already played a league game, may have a better chance of strengthening his claim, especially if he picks up a summer move which will render him more likely to become a first-choice at a club.

Matt Doherty

While a contemporary debate still rages about his inability to force himself into Mick McCarthy's side, it is more likely than not that he will have superseded Seamus Coleman's challenge by this stage and, while he can slot into a number of positions, he could be tasked to pin down the right-back role. Lee O'Connor is one to watch.

Shane Duffy

Now entering his peak years, at 27, Duffy is Ireland's outstanding central defender, capable of making an impact in both boxes and his ability to play out from the back is an option which will make him attractive to Kenny. Given his renown in the club game, even if his club were to get relegated, a more likely prospect than not, he would be a prime target for those remaining in the higher tier of English football. Conor Masterson and Ryan Nolan, if his Irish future is confirmed, will challenge.

Dara O'Shea

A graduate of Tom Mohan's excellent U19 side, the former St Kevin's Boys' defender has benefited from a loan spell at Exeter City from parent club West Bromwich Albion; had to fight for his place but then secured it with some doughty displays. There are other emerging contenders, and John Egan of the current crop is capable of maintaining his graph of improvement.

James Furlong

Will Robbie Brady still be trying to convince that he has the discipline and composure to prolong what has been, aside from a few notable high-points, a fitful international career? If so, his future may probably reside at left-back, but many observers are excited about the potential of Furlong, who has enjoyed a rapid ascent since his debut as a 16-year-old for Shamrock Rovers, and demonstrated his undoubted class in the European Championships earlier this year. He has already been chased by a number of Premier League sides.

Callum O'Dowda

A player bursting with ability and potential from the current crop but for a variety of reasons, predominantly injury-enforced, has been unable to consistently press his claims in the Irish side. Capable of operating in most positions in the midfield, or even as a quasi-number ten, O'Dowda's pace and trickery, as well as delivery, are valuable assets. Needs to sort out his club situation as next career move will be crucial.

Conor Hourihane

A graduate from the school of hard knocks, Bandon's finest will finally appear in the Premier League with Aston Villa and could be primed to take his career on to the next level. Has already made an impression with Ireland, following that stunning free-kick against Georgia. Gibraltar game demonstrates that his left-foot remains a radar but his range of passing, especially of the short, incisive variety, will need to improve. Flexibility is key as he can play as an advanced or retreated midfielder.

Jayson Molumby

There are a host of contenders to join Hourihane in the engine room - including Connor Ronan, Conor Coventry, Aaron Bolger, Ryan Johanssen and the recent history of Irish midfielders, boundless stories of arrested development or unfulfilled potential - proves that advancement is never an open and shut case, notwithstanding progress with club sides. The dynamic Waterford midfielder has overcome torrid knee injuries and must now hope to impress an incoming Brighton manager of his worth. A determined leader who suits Kenny's high-tempo approach.

Neil Farrugia

The Paris-born winger has spurned invitations from Malta - he is also eligible for France and Spain - and would have featured in the recent Toulon invitational tournament were it not for an untimely hamstring injury. He has already trialled with Manchester City but is determined to complete his final year in UCD. Farrugia has searing pace, a pronounced work ethic and one of those often modern rarities - a winger who can beat a defender on the outside with either speed or subtlety.

Troy Parrott

Here's where it gets difficult. Ireland have been searching for a natural goal-scorer since the days of Robbie Keane and, albeit there have been notable cameos from the selfless Shane Long and Jon Walters, few have proven capable of a sustained productive run. Spurs prospect seems a live one although the tentative nature of his club's interaction with the Irish set-up, compounded by injury, have introduced a fraught, hopefully temporary, hiatus in his development. Highly thought of by Mauricio Pochettino - how highly may be revealed after this summer's transfer dealings.

Michael Obafemi

Rangy Adam Idah - both a hold-up man and a finisher - is another striker on the radar, so too the exciting Bohs' sensation, Danny Mandriou. Aaron Connolly has progressed well until now while Ryan Cassidy is another who knows the route to goal. However, Obafemi is an obvious choice given that he is already a senior international and will surely return to the senior squad when he regains his fitness. Only concern is a series of hamstring issues at such a tender age.



These predictions are always such a nonsense. Where was Luca Connell 6 months ago? 4 years is an age in football. 
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Ill be interested to see how farrugia develops. Looks really good currently. See where he ends up over the next few years.
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Yes a Long time..... remember TOTO SCHILLACHI. JUST ONE TRICK PONY THEN VANISHED
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Hard not to laugh at the comments on Duffy's "ability to play the ball out from the back". Whoever compiled that list must not have watched the Gibraltar game and based the comment of an anomaly of a performance in the most recent Denmark game.
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I'm not jumping on band wagon because of all the bohs talk about James Talbot but for me he is way ahead of Kelleher and next best keeper after Randolph. I know the question will be then why isn't he playing for an English club rather then LOI. The reason is I'm not sure he wants to go back as is happy with life at home and bohs. I reckon end this season he may give it a go again. He's older and wiser now. A great lad who deserves the best. Watch this space. Only other prospects in LOI are Leahy n Manjoru (wrong spelling). And I'm not a bohs fan.
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Originally posted by ProudAndLoud ProudAndLoud wrote:

I'm not jumping on band wagon because of all the bohs talk about James Talbot but for me he is way ahead of Kelleher and next best keeper after Randolph. I know the question will be then why isn't he playing for an English club rather then LOI. The reason is I'm not sure he wants to go back as is happy with life at home and bohs. I reckon end this season he may give it a go again. He's older and wiser now. A great lad who deserves the best. Watch this space. Only other prospects in LOI are Leahy n Manjoru (wrong spelling). And I'm not a bohs fan.
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Would you put him ahead of Travers?
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Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Hard not to laugh at the comments on Duffy's "ability to play the ball out from the back". Whoever compiled that list must not have watched the Gibraltar game and based the comment of an anomaly of a performance in the most recent Denmark game.

This is a common thing amongst Ireland fans. Praising our best options is one thing, but to elevate them to the status of gods is another. Duffy's performance against Denmark was superb, and he's been one of our most consistent performers. However, to say he belongs in a top 6 Prem side or compare him to van Dijk (maybe not here, but the state of social media that night) is just plain fantasy. Remember when Coleman was supposedly going to Bayern? And when Given was second only to Buffon? LOL
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Talbot ahead of Travers YES
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Originally posted by skylarking skylarking wrote:

Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Hard not to laugh at the comments on Duffy's "ability to play the ball out from the back". Whoever compiled that list must not have watched the Gibraltar game and based the comment of an anomaly of a performance in the most recent Denmark game.


This is a common thing amongst Ireland fans. Praising our best options is one thing, but to elevate them to the status of gods is another. Duffy's performance against Denmark was superb, and he's been one of our most consistent performers. However, to say he belongs in a top 6 Prem side or compare him to van Dijk (maybe not here, but the state of social media that night) is just plain fantasy. Remember when Coleman was supposedly going to Bayern? And when Given was second only to Buffon? LOL



Duffy would not look out of place in the United or Arsenal defence and could certainly play alongside VVD .
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Originally posted by TBWRA TBWRA wrote:

Duffy would not look out of place in the United or Arsenal defence and could certainly play alongside VVD 

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Technically any centre half could play alongside van Dijk, you're right there. The fact that he doesn't, never will and that neither Man Utd nor Arsenal have expressed any interest in him would indicate that you're talking out of your hat.
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He would. He's nowhere near good enough on the ball and would get caught out with the high defensive lines that the Top 6 clubs tend to play. He will have a fine premier league career but it won't be for any of the top clubs.

As for Talbot, I'd definitely have him ahead of Kelleher. Has made some fantastic saves so far this season and, the last Dundalk game at Dalymount aside, has been very consistent. Kelleher seems very comfortable with the ball at his feet but Talbot is physically more developed at this stage. Also, CK has no first team appearances so far.

Hard to say if Talbot is ahead of Travers. He is obviously well regarded at Bournemouth and has been given first team appearances (one which couldn't have gone better, the other quite the opposite). Will need to see him with a consistent run of first team games before I can make an opinion, whether it's at Bournemouth or on loan.


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Hold on a second Arsenal’s defense is absolutely shambolically bad. Anybody who thinks Duffy is not way better than Mustafi, Sokratis and Koscielny doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Dreadful defense Arsenal have, so frustrating as a fan.
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Watching the U21 tournament last few nights. Mad how many of the players have already played senior football.

When you compare to ourselves the last few years. 

For example 13 of Serbia 23 squad have played senior football
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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Watching the U21 tournament last few nights. Mad how many of the players have already played senior football.

When you compare to ourselves the last few years. 

For example 13 of Serbia 23 squad have played senior football

That's true alright, but can be misleading as it is the nature of the leagues our lads play in.  

The entire Mexico squad in Toulon had played senior football in the Mexican Primera Liga, and they were no better than us.  China were similar (most starting in the Chinese superleague), and we were far better than them.  It's harder to get a game in the English premier league, hence why we have fewer lads playing first team football, and yet we're better than a lot of other teams.  

If Aaron Connolly was in any other league, such as Netherlands, Germany, Mexico, China etc., you'd expect him to have lots of first team appearances by now too, such is the obviously strong level he's at.  Mallon has played lots of first team football in the A-League, but wouldn't make our u21 first 11 if everyone is available.  
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I think it also needs to be said that the tournament being played at the moment is for players born in 1996 and after whereas the most recent Irish team selected was for 1998 and older. 2 years is a long time in professional football.
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Louie Barry is being linked with a move to Barcelona, you'd have to imagine that would put paid to any further involvement with our underage sides unfortunately.
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Originally posted by Mikeire Mikeire wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Louie Barry is being linked with a move to Barcelona, you'd have to imagine that would put paid to any further involvement with our underage sides unfortunately.

Does anyone know how he qualifies for us? Grandparents? If both parents are Irish the could still be a small chance.

Saying all that, he probably still wets the bed and we shouldn’t concern ourselves at this point. 
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