Underage squads: Best Prospects |
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DeclanDaly
Ray Houghton Joined: 17 Oct 2013 Location: Boston, USA Status: Offline Points: 3254 |
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Although the FAI certainly depends too much on 2nd/3rd genners or British clubs to develop Irish talent, I think the best of our under 21/19 age groups are definitely Irish-born or reared. A very decent side off the top of my head -
Ian Lawlor (Man City) Brian Lenihan (Hull City) Pierce Sweeney (Reading) Eoghan O'Connell (Celtic) Sean Kavanagh (Fulham) Jack Byrne (Man City) Alan Browne (Preston) Ryan Manning (QPR) Joel Coustrain (Sheffield United) Dylan Connolly (Ipswich) Eoghan Stokes (Leeds) Now, they may not be the best in the world, but they are pretty much the best that we have. Only Grealish, Hoban, Grego-Cox, maybe Garmston would be better of the English-born lads. |
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dubstep
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Add Sam Byrne (Everton) and Kenny McEvoy (Spurs), Alex O'Hanlon and Daniel Cleary (Liverpool) to that list .Hopefully a few can make the breakthrough, I have high hopes for Byrne and O'Hanlon 2 very good technically assured players
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SimonCox
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"This is why the encouraging soundings about a collection of starlets born in 1998 have to be treated cautiously."
Who are these players??
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GreenDodger93
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I'd have reservations about Pierce Sweeney and O'Hanlon
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dubstep
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O'Hanlon has a sweet left foot and passing range I havent seen by an Irish 18 year old in a long time, lacking a bit of pace but if he keeps developing he will be a top top player imo.
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Doyler1993
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I think the best chances of new players are through hoban, murray, carruthers, williams, grealish, duffy and browne with 6/7 of these being born outside the country. Byrne lawlor mcevoy o hanlon and cleary could all make but haven't proved it above youth team level yet.
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RKeane
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The granny rule is disgraceful, Only players who are fully committed to Ireland should be allowed represent us. It's a shame when a English reject get a cap ahead of a irishman who would love nothing more than to represent his country, it does not matter who is more talented. Irish should play for Ireland, English play for England. Some players have never even step foot in the country including Christie.
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9485 |
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The FAI's official approach is not to approach any northern-born players at all, an approach that I completely disagree with. Any guys they have talked to is only because these guys signalled interest first. As it so happens nearly all of the guys who signal interest are "catholics", at least nominally. This is purely coincidental, it has nothing to do with any discriminatory policy within the FAI, Alan Kernaghan is living proof of this. You my friend are making the great mistake of arguing correlation without causation, but then again you already knew that, but it doesn't suit your ridiculous argument so you're willing to overlook it..... |
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We're decent enough..
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John W
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CJ Hamilton is going very well for Sheff Utd u21's at the moment mother is irish was reared in Ireland for a few years moved back to live with his father a few years back to concentrate on his football. |
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savo01
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Until NI stop playing gstq then the majority of Catholic's will not feel comfortable supporting and playing for them. That the stadium is based in a hostile part of Belfast will never help either.
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DeclanDaly
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CJ Hamilton is going very well for Sheff Utd u21's at the moment mother is irish was reared in Ireland for a few years moved back to live with his father a few years back to concentrate on his football. [/QUOTE] I had not heard of him before, actually. Good spot. Conor Dimaio is another one of ours at Sheffield Utd, although he's not Irish born (if those are the rules we are playing by). Same age group, and already has a few first team games under his belt. Agree on O'Hanlon. Been especially interesting to see how Liverpool have been using him in a midfield two. If he lacks pace, that might be his best position. Certainly seems to have a cultured left foot.
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roverstillidie
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If they took a step back they might have the strategic thought that this in fact suits them longer term. Players from a nationlist background declaring for Ireland creates a de facto united Irish side and means that the 6 county team is safer. But that involves heads being removed from arses.
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dubstep
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Jack Byrne playing on Eurosport now
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Territorial
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On top of which, FAI scouts are regularly seen at a number of NI under-age games. A most extreme example was when an Australian Schools team were on tour in NI and their game, originally scheduled for Belfast, had to be moved to the wilds of Co.Fermanagh at the last minute due to weather. This was an afternoon midweek kickoff, yet two FAI scouts were still seen in attendance, taking notes. And it cannot have been the opposition they were watching, since the Aussies weren't playing their ROI counterparts. As for Kernaghan, he was over 30 years ago, and only approached ROI because he was desperate to play international football. At the time, he was eligible and keen to play for NI , but the IFA declined because his eligibility was via his NI grandparents and at that time, IFA policy was to go back only one generation. (The fact that he had been schooled in NI didn't move the IFA, either.) Meanwhile, the FAI was in no position to turn down players of his ability who turned upon their doorstep. Or as one of your own national team managers, Brian Kerr, put it: "While a manager will always seek to get the best players available within the rules, direction and policy is required on such a sensitive issue as poaching our next door neighbour’s best players after they have been reared and groomed in that environment.... ... I feel it is unfair, seedy and predatory to have such a policy towards a neighbour. Just imagine if the boot was on the other foot." http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-21345593.html Note the difference between "poaching" [sic] and accepting a bird which falls out of the sky into your lap... Edited by Territorial - 24 Feb 2015 at 6:29pm |
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Territorial
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How "comfortable" would an NI Prod feel supporting or playing for the ROI when you play The Soldier's Song? As for your "hostile" part of Belfast comment, that is derisory and can only come from a state of complete ignorance. Perhaps you got it from Roy Keane's (first) Autobiography, when he described Windsor Park as being "in East Belfast"? Meanwhile, thousands of Catholic Man U and Liverpool fans don't find WP too "hostile" to stop them attending when their team comes over to play friendlies. But hey, why let mere facts and reason get in the way of your argument... Edited by Territorial - 24 Feb 2015 at 6:27pm |
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horsebox
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I don't ever remember Alan Kernaghan complaining. This article pretty much sums it up. NI have been 'poaching' players from Ireland for a long time, the most recent one being Alex Bruce. http://playereligibilityinireland.blogspot.ie/ |
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grannyrule
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Dylan Connolly on the bench for Ipswich tonight. Hope he gets a run
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085immersive
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Another good prospect at Spurs. Goes by the name Harry Kane. But he hasn't proved himself over a full season yet so let's not get our hopes up. From Galway direction my sources tell me
Edited by 085immersive - 24 Feb 2015 at 7:49pm |
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