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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

The fact neither himself or Cannon have switched to England yet certainly is a hopeful sign, but I just don't get a great feeling with Fraser. I'd be nearly certain Cannon will decide on Ireland, he's had about 10 months to cut ties now but he still hasn't.

Not gonna debate Fraser anymore haha, we won't know for a while. Cannon is a odd one at this point. I think England U21s only 9 is Stansfield (not even sure he is and out and out striker) from the looks of it and not sure he is better than Cannon, the rest are more AMs/Wide forwards. So if he was on their radar he probably should be in the squad ... unless Carsley is doing us a favour. LOL
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Originally posted by SC92 SC92 wrote:

Originally posted by Godzilla Godzilla wrote:

Originally posted by SC92 SC92 wrote:

Are there any other youth groups playing games u19s etc?


England U19s just announced their squad. He wasn't in it.


Oops sorry, I meant for us. I was wondering if we had anything scheduled for younger age groups. Though I know u17s and below are often outside of traditional international windows.


U17s have competitive games which start next Wednesday against Portugal. Then Germany and Croatia.

Nothing announced for the U19s but sometimes when it comes to friendlies at that age group you only find out about them when a squad is announced. Think if we hear nothing by Monday for the U19s then there'll be no friendlies.
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Originally posted by Godzilla Godzilla wrote:

Originally posted by SC92 SC92 wrote:

Are there any other youth groups playing games u19s etc?

England U19s just announced their squad. He wasn't in it.

Oops sorry, I meant for us. I was wondering if we had anything scheduled for younger age groups. Though I know u17s and below are often outside of traditional international windows.
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The fact neither himself or Cannon have switched to England yet certainly is a hopeful sign, but I just don't get a great feeling with Fraser. I'd be nearly certain Cannon will decide on Ireland, he's had about 10 months to cut ties now but he still hasn't.
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Originally posted by SC92 SC92 wrote:

Are there any other youth groups playing games u19s etc?

England U19s just announced their squad. He wasn't in it.
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Are there any other youth groups playing games u19s etc?
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Originally posted by J89 J89 wrote:

Originally posted by razzmatazaz razzmatazaz wrote:

@ SC92 Can you name one example of an Irish born player using an "I don't want to get injured" excuse to turn down a call up to a competitive game for his country? And Roy Keane doesn't count.


Michael Obafemi and Aaron Connolly this time two years ago. While technically friendlies they hold more significants than the U21s game Fraser has opted out of.

Also it happens with pretty much every nation players will at times prioritise their club career as that is where they have a career. So Fraser won't be the first or last to do this. Again I don't know his personal motivations but we can't make a definitive judgement either way at this point.
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Originally posted by razzmatazaz razzmatazaz wrote:

@ SC92 Can you name one example of an Irish born player using an "I don't want to get injured" excuse to turn down a call up to a competitive game for his country? And Roy Keane doesn't count.


Michael Obafemi and Aaron Connolly this time two years ago. While technically friendlies they hold more significants than the U21s game Fraser has opted out of.

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@ SC92 Can you name one example of an Irish born player using an "I don't want to get injured" excuse to turn down a call up to a competitive game for his country? And Roy Keane doesn't count.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

I think if he'd been involved regularly previously I'd give him more leeway, in this case though it sounds like a guy just giving a soft no, but a no nonetheless.

It didn't sound like he had declined call ups previously he just stopped getting picked after his first few caps it seems to me even though he continued to improve at club level and stopped getting u19 call ups. Unpopular opinion maybe but it's a two way street you can make it sound like he's not committed or look at the fact Ireland are only interested when he's got some headlines for making a PL club breakthrough. Similar to Tom Cannon really we only got interested after some lower age group call ups when he got his first loan goals.  It just sometimes feels like we are pretty bad at knowing which players to keep involved. 

Again I'm not all that sure on his ceiling (its hard with 18/19 year olds) and he isn't a must pick at this point as I really like Armstrong and i'm not saying he wouldn't jump to England if he had the opportunity. But his club circumstances are such right now that if he's not available he misses a big opportunity so I don't see this refusal as being about Ireland as much as his club future. Maybe I'll be wrong but I can see an Irish born striker taking the same decision.
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I think if he'd been involved regularly previously I'd give him more leeway, in this case though it sounds like a guy just giving a soft no, but a no nonetheless.
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Given the Wolves injury situation it's a pretty reasonable excuse. Being first team ready over the next few months could really affect the trajectory of his career. Even the Irish born lads would do the same in that situation I'm sure so we can cut him some slack tbh

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Where have we heard this one before... 
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It's the right call. Let him get his feet under the table at Wolves and call him up in June. Given his lack of games in an Ireland shirt he likely would have gotten a few minutes off the bench at best anyway. If June rolls around and there's an another excuse then it's bye bye and move on.



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The main takeaway from me on Fraser at this particular moment in time is the following:

"With the U21s, it would have been a different challenge. That’s what he says, I respect it. He did say he wanted to be considered for future international camps. In June we will have a couple of friendly games, so if all things go well he might be included in that. That’s all I can say on Nathan. Of course we would love to have him, but it is an opportunity for someone else to show what they can do at this level."
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Originally posted by SC92 SC92 wrote:

Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

Fraser declined a call up as he "was afraid to get injured".

Where is that from? 

That's a reasonable expectation as a Wolves player particularly one who is benefitting from said injury crisis. So maybe he hasn't decided against us yet we'll have to see...
Yeah I can't really blame him.

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Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

Fraser declined a call up as he "was afraid to get injured".

Where is that from? 

That's a reasonable expectation as a Wolves player particularly one who is benefitting from said injury crisis. So maybe he hasn't decided against us yet we'll have to see... Either way we have some good options so all is okay.


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Leave that one off so. He's been involved little with us anyway so no great loss.
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