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Originally posted by erimus erimus wrote:

His stats dont suggest that
Would he not be getting booed as hes on loan from the city rivals?

Anyway, looks as if hes off to Inter

And is most certainly a far better option than any of the 3 "forwards" he was replaced with


More to do with the fact he doesn't appear to care much about football. He was so disappointing at Corinthians that it led to supporters invading their training ground complaining about him and Emerson.

He had great potential. Injuries ruined him. Was definitely not a good option for the World Cup.

Before the World Cup it was logical to pick Fred and Jo. Widely seen as the top number 9s from Brazil. Playing with a false 9(Robinho) was the most likely alternative to them. Scolari tried it in friendlies but decided against it.

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Originally posted by The GerK The GerK wrote:

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Come on Gerk , condescending toward j-rod? Don't be so cynical . The kid was inconsolable ....


All he had to do was hug him then, not turn it into a circus.
Luiz wanted to be at the centre of attention and he grabbed his chance


That's a pretty cynical view of it but your entitled to it .
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Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

A lot of people read too much into last years Confederations Cup, the bookies included, having that Brazilian side as favourites throughout



Which is why the Germans refused their invitation.

And the conditions were over-hyped i think beforehand too. 
Have they had that much of a negative effect on one team compared to their opponents?
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

A lot of people read too much into last years Confederations Cup, the bookies included, having that Brazilian side as favourites throughout



Which is why the Germans refused their invitation.
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Moleman, you hit the nail on the head with the use of the word contrived in regards to Luiz. I think he is not the worst player, he has good technique and is quite athletic. He is just mentally unstable, that's all. 
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Originally posted by erimus erimus wrote:

I thought Pato was injured and thats why he wasnt in the squad!!

FFS Fred & Jo ahead of him is disgraceful


Coutinho and Lucas too.

Lucas could have done a job as a holding midfielder last night - they badly needed it.

Coutinho is a lot better than Fred and Bernard and others too.

Both worth a squad place at least.

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His stats dont suggest that
Would he not be getting booed as hes on loan from the city rivals?

Anyway, looks as if hes off to Inter

And is most certainly a far better option than any of the 3 "forwards" he was replaced with
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Originally posted by tribalarmy tribalarmy wrote:

Originally posted by erimus erimus wrote:

I thought Pato was injured and thats why he wasnt in the squad!!


Pato was a sub at Corinthians. Now he plays for Sao Paulo where he gets booed by his own fans for being poor.

He's so good they didn't want him to sign for them.


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Originally posted by erimus erimus wrote:

I thought Pato was injured and thats why he wasnt in the squad!!


Pato was a sub at Corinthians. Now he plays for Sao Paulo where he gets booed by his own fans for being poor.

He's so good they didn't want him to sign for them.
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Originally posted by The GerK The GerK wrote:

David Luiz, where to start
This clown is useless, on and off the pitch.
Holding the Neymar jersey while belting out the anthem was pathetic.
Thiago Silva with the Neymar cap, equally so.
These guys were here to play a World Cup semi final and prove they are not a one man team.
Instead they turned in into a Neymar wake and let emotions take over.

Five minutes after his embarrassing outpouring of emotion, Luiz let his man loose and they were one down. He was in the middle of the park for another goal when he should have been in the thick of it in the box. It was unbelievable stuff.
Then, in the second half, he has the ball, forgets about the game and turns on Muller, attempting to blast the ball at him.
It was how an U12 would react.

This same spoofer has been like a cartoon character for the whole World Cup.

His condescending show when he urged the crowd to applaud James Rodrigues was another chapter in his World Cup Sideshow Bob scrapbook. But he looked like the good guy and got plenty of praise on twitter so job done for him.
And he dropped to his kneews straight after last night's humiliation and pointed to God. Maybe he thought this might make him immune from the criticism that surely should have followed from the Brazil fans.
You would swear Neymar's career was over or worse still, he died.
His tears and messages to the fans was laughable.

Brazil made last night's match about Neymar when it should have been about Brazil.
I'm delighted they were found out

Sums up this contrived Brazil side to a tee. They were a crowd of bullsh#t artists and didn't seem at all focused on their on field jobs. David Luiz being the perfect example of this, he was an absolute disgrace last night. Anybody trying to defend Luiz here, I urge you to watch back over the game. The actual lack of effort this lad put in, in a world cup semi, while captaining his country at home, was bewildering to say the least.

On the money GerK Clap

Just to edit : I've mentioned this in other posts. The part in bold was a horrid act of 'look at me' on Luizs part. Not sure how anybody can warm to this lad.


Edited by Hans Moleman - 09 Jul 2014 at 2:44pm
"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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I thought Pato was injured and thats why he wasnt in the squad!!

FFS Fred & Jo ahead of him is disgraceful
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Originally posted by BabbsBalls BabbsBalls wrote:

Come on Gerk , condescending toward j-rod? Don't be so cynical . The kid was inconsolable ....


All he had to do was hug him then, not turn it into a circus.
Luiz wanted to be at the centre of attention and he grabbed his chance
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Tony, in fairness Neuer also made a couple of smart saves at the start of the second half.

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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Landon Donovan Landon Donovan wrote:

Football is the ONLY sport where a guy like David Luiz could be hated.



Explain.

Last night he showed all the hall marks of a coward. He went missing when there was defending to be done. For the second goal he was a spectator in midfield as the Germans passed the ball around his penalty box. No effort to get back. This happened again and again.

He is style over substance and does not do the nuts and bolts of defending which is his primary job. Nothing wrong with a bally playing Centre back who can defend but you got to defend first.



Do you not think calling him a coward is a bit OTT?

He was one of many players who were guilty of going missing, not defending etc... it's quite clear that he's not a mainstream defender, more of an attacking midfielder playing as a centre back.

Would you trust him as a central defender? I wouldn't. So why did Scolari?

Scolari got his tactics and his team selection wrong again last night.

William and Ramires should have played and Fred has done absolutely nothing to warrant a starting place.

Everything that went wrong all goes back to Scolari.

It must be said that Germany were outstanding last night, especially in the final third, they punished Brazil with every mistake they made, the composure, passing and vision by Germany was excellent.




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Originally posted by El_nino El_nino wrote:

Originally posted by The GerK The GerK wrote:

David Luiz, where to start
This clown is useless, on and off the pitch.
Holding the Neymar jersey while belting out the anthem was pathetic.
Thiago Silva with the Neymar cap, equally so.
These guys were here to play a World Cup semi final and prove they are not a one man team.
Instead they turned in into a Neymar wake and let emotions take over.

Five minutes after his embarrassing outpouring of emotion, Luiz let his man loose and they were one down. He was in the middle of the park for another goal when he should have been in the thick of it in the box. It was unbelievable stuff.
Then, in the second half, he has the ball, forgets about the game and turns on Muller, attempting to blast the ball at him.
It was how an U12 would react.

This same spoofer has been like a cartoon character for the whole World Cup.

His condescending show when he urged the crowd to applaud James Rodrigues was another chapter in his World Cup Sideshow Bob scrapbook. But he looked like the good guy and got plenty of praise on twitter so job done for him.
And he dropped to his kneews straight after last night's humiliation and pointed to God. Maybe he thought this might make him immune from the criticism that surely should have followed from the Brazil fans.
You would swear Neymar's career was over or worse still, he died.
His tears and messages to the fans was laughable.

Brazil made last night's match about Neymar when it should have been about Brazil.
I'm delighted they were found out


My sentiments exactly.  It was as if they were making excuses before a ball was even kicked.  

All the Brazil players got off the team coach with Neymar caps on and the holding up of the jersey during the anthem was absolutely cringeworthy.  It was a complete circus.


I think Scolari knew they weren't good enough to win it and saw a get out of jail card with Neymar's injury. They're a poor side and were actually lucky to get that far so they had a ready made excuse if they lost a close game.

Problem was that the whole circus took over and there wasn't a steady hand on the pitch such as Silva to organise them. Whatever David Luiz is, he's not a leader of men, his indiscipline last night was staggering and worthy of a ten year old. Once they went 2 down they lost all shape and lost their heads, the pressure just built and Germany exploited it. I don't think they'd have won even with Neymar and Silva but I don't think they'd have capitulated in the manner they did. Funny thing is, they had a number of chances to make the score respectable when Germany took their foot off the gas in the second half but through fluffing shots or taking the wrong option they couldn't even do that.

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Originally posted by BohsinMunich BohsinMunich wrote:

What entertainment.... Germany were ruthless and hungry.

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Originally posted by Landon Donovan Landon Donovan wrote:

Football is the ONLY sport where a guy like David Luiz could be hated.

His two elbows in the first half haven't been mentioned much either. 

Then there was him doing this after getting a compatriot sent off one day - 
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It was horrible how he thought the world cup was all about him
The showing off during the anthems, the dropping to his knees in prayer after the final whistle

But the most bewildering thing for me about this sh*te defender is that he is somehow seen as one of the worlds best and a club have spent £50m on him!! 
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