Will Germany thrash us again?

horsebox wrote: RogerMilla wrote: not exactly true TJ  , we havent seen this team play a competitive game yet, lets see how it goes,   if we get pumped 5-1 by germany do I call for MON out then like I did for Trap ? I cant decide something like that yet.   I think the players will improve, i have good faith in coleman, mccarthy , hendrick ,meyler and brady to actually get better than they are now, maybe gibson too can improve . we can use walters mcgeady and long and try and drag out a few glory cameos from robbie , richie and JOS.   traps tactics and selections were dung , no amount of revisionism is going to change that.   O'Neill will pretty much pick the same players as Trap. O'Neill and any other Irish manager should not be judged on a game against Germany. They are absolutely way ahead of us in terms of quality.

Green Devil wrote: horsebox wrote: RogerMilla wrote: not exactly true TJ  , we havent seen this team play a competitive game yet, lets see how it goes,   if we get pumped 5-1 by germany do I call for MON out then like I did for Trap ? I cant decide something like that yet.   I think the players will improve, i have good faith in coleman, mccarthy , hendrick ,meyler and brady to actually get better than they are now, maybe gibson too can improve . we can use walters mcgeady and long and try and drag out a few glory cameos from robbie , richie and JOS.   traps tactics and selections were dung , no amount of revisionism is going to change that.   O'Neill will pretty much pick the same players as Trap. O'Neill and any other Irish manager should not be judged on a game against Germany. They are absolutely way ahead of us in terms of quality. To a certain degree I'd agree with you HB, but if we set up and lie down the way we done against them at home 2 years ago then the management has to take some blame imo.  I mean is anyone really expecting us to get anything from those two games, no? The OP has wrote us off before the campaign has even started, so its not surprised he has thrown around the word "trashing" on his thread.  I'd be pretty confident if we had our best 11 on the field and we set up in a compact manner, to contain Germany we would avoid getting hammered by 5,6,7 goals.

Trap had a number of first team players out injured so we went into game with a weakened team, and Germany it must be said were excellent and punished every mistake we made.

I'd easily write us off now for our game in October .

Take 5 or 6 first team players and it probably will be.

We had a depleted squad in the states, should have beaten Turkey and Serbia given our chances and our defending was very poor. O'Neill isn't stupid and will know we can't possibly go toe to toe against top opposition but at least he gave it a try along with trying McLean in the right forward position. The good thing is we're at least creating chances and were unlucky in some games. The defeats and the poor run of results are bad but as long as he learns from them

Two games finished goalless, two more ended in home defeats and poor performances. Another was a severe hammering. We're 6 months without a win, I would love to know where all these phantom chances and should have won games come from, because I didn't find them. It seems to be a case of getting 11(+6) guys in ragbag fashion and telling them to go out and play like a bunch of blokes out of a pub. Has he heard of the phrase "world rankings"?

We've just got battered by a side in second gear, losing the plot tactically into the bargain. The past 6 months was supposed to get that side organised and ready to go for the next campaign, it's not a holiday gig. He should know what his preferred starting line up is. He should have a clear vision of tactics, shape, and organisation by now. There's no evidence that any of that has been done and it will show when the serious business starts. With respect, we'll need a good bit more to our game than simply "having a go".

RogerMilla wrote: we are not competing with germany , we are in a group with three places going , if we live up to our seeding then we qualify.

We're in a group competing with three other teams for one qualifying spot, and a playoff where (thanks in part to recent results) we would be in Pot 2 for, ensuring a difficult playoff.

Because of the teams in the group, there'll be points dropped all over the shop, so Georgia may do an Armenia job on everyone, while Gibraltar have drawn with Slovakia and beaten Malta, so they could be a handful at home too. Getting out of the group is going to be at best, a struggle.

Planning the second team qualifies automatically too you know,and best placed third team, its the other third team that go to the playoffs.

Clonbhoy wrote: Baldrick wrote: Planning the second team qualifies automatically too you know,and best placed third team, its the other third team that go to the playoffs. in fairness, where did he say he did not know that? It is between Scotland, Poland, Georgia and ourselves and in a group that tight there is no way there will be a best third place spot. You can disagree with it, but that his is argument. I would tend to agree with it but think he is over rating Georgia

Edited by coyne - 18 Jun 2014 at 2:22pm

Citizen wrote: coyne wrote: Clonbhoy wrote: Baldrick wrote: Planning the second team qualifies automatically too you know,and best placed third team, its the other third team that go to the playoffs. in fairness, where did he say he did not know that? It is between Scotland, Poland, Georgia and ourselves and in a group that tight there is no way there will be a best third place spot. You can disagree with it, but that his is argument. I would tend to agree with it but think he is over rating Georgia Alot of people on here are over-rating Georgia - They will sit back with 11 men in their own half straight from kick-off and play for a 0-0 draw, teams who don't know how to break down defensive teams will drop points to them, I don't think we're one of them. you are talking cack man, they are not the faroe islands. they wil very much much fancy their chances to beat us. they beat croatia at home in euro 2012 qualifiers, and got a draws with france and spain only beat them 1-0

Edited by coyne - 18 Jun 2014 at 2:40pm

planning wrote: We had a depleted squad in the states, should have beaten Turkey and Serbia given our chances and our defending was very poor. O'Neill isn't stupid and will know we can't possibly go toe to toe against top opposition but at least he gave it a try along with trying McLean in the right forward position. The good thing is we're at least creating chances and were unlucky in some games. The defeats and the poor run of results are bad but as long as he learns from them Two games finished goalless, two more ended in home defeats and poor performances. Another was a severe hammering. We're 6 months without a win, I would love to know where all these phantom chances and should have won games come from, because I didn't find them. It seems to be a case of getting 11(+6) guys in ragbag fashion and telling them to go out and play like a bunch of blokes out of a pub. Has he heard of the phrase "world rankings"? We've just got battered by a side in second gear, losing the plot tactically into the bargain. The past 6 months was supposed to get that side organised and ready to go for the next campaign, it's not a holiday gig. He should know what his preferred starting line up is. He should have a clear vision of tactics, shape, and organisation by now. There's no evidence that any of that has been done and it will show when the serious business starts. With respect, we'll need a good bit more to our game than simply "having a go". RogerMilla wrote: we are not competing with germany , we are in a group with three places going , if we live up to our seeding then we qualify. We're in a group competing with three other teams for one qualifying spot, and a playoff where (thanks in part to recent results) we would be in Pot 2 for, ensuring a difficult playoff. Because of the teams in the group, there'll be points dropped all over the shop, so Georgia may do an Armenia job on everyone, while Gibraltar have drawn with Slovakia and beaten Malta, so they could be a handful at home too. Getting out of the group is going to be at best, a struggle.

Georgia have the potential to best us or Scotland or Poland but they don't have the potential to challenge for 2nd. If that sounds like a contradiction fair enough. Howber I think they are a classic troublesome team kinda like Everton. Potential to beat any of the top teams but not good enough for title challenge.