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Originally posted by Stillhuntinghenry Stillhuntinghenry wrote:

To be honest I don't want to get into an argument where I'm disparaging mon because the mans a legend. I have no problem with him being on the list (although he wouldn't be my 1st choice for a number of reasons). You will note that mon was not mentioned on my original post this morning

The financial demise of Leeds was not down to o'leary it was complicated but was generally based on ridsdale mortgaging future income which then never transpired. It must he remembered that the majority of the signings were a success and that he brought through Robinson, smith, woodgate and kewell. I'm surprised that you don't consider 3 top 4 finishes and a champions league semi final as not being successful

As I said mon has credentials but if Roy, Brian and mick are on the list then so should Dave.

lets get an auld list going, lol. we love lists on this forum.
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To be honest I don't want to get into an argument where I'm disparaging mon because the mans a legend. I have no problem with him being on the list (although he wouldn't be my 1st choice for a number of reasons). You will note that mon was not mentioned on my original post this morning

The financial demise of Leeds was not down to o'leary it was complicated but was generally based on ridsdale mortgaging future income which then never transpired. It must he remembered that the majority of the signings were a success and that he brought through Robinson, smith, woodgate and kewell. I'm surprised that you don't consider 3 top 4 finishes and a champions league semi final as not being successful

As I said mon has credentials but if Roy, Brian and mick are on the list then so should Dave.

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And I say interesting because they are up the left. O'Leary and that clown Peter Ridsdale spent somewhere in the region of £120m between 99 and 02 and Leeds are still paying for that today.

O'Leary hasn't been successful as a manager anywhere and if O'Neill is a chequebook manager so is he.

O'Neill has been a success at Wycombe, Leicester and Celtic
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If Dave got the job with Jaap Stam as his assistant I think Mario Rosenstock would wet himself!
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Originally posted by Stillhuntinghenry Stillhuntinghenry wrote:

Originally posted by Fintan Fintan wrote:

MON has won trophies in England with a club smaller than Leeds and he didn't have the stupid amounts of money that O'Leary was given



o'neill spent more than o'leary!! Tin cup or champions league? I'd say the villa board and financial backers would have preferred champions league

O'neill spent £120m and recouped £40m, net loss £80m

Sidwell £8.5
Curtis Davies £10m
Reo-Coker £8.5m
Harewood. £3.5m
Cuellar. £8m
Delph. £5m


O'leary may have splashed £18m on rio but he s
old him for £30m

O'neill is not called a cheque book manager for nothing


I was refering to MON's time at Leicester in which he actually won things. You're talking about O'Leary being the most successful Irish manager in the game and I'm saying you're wrong as O'Neill has won more than O'Leary
Your facts regarding finances are interesting. Are you John Delaney by any chance?
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Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Originally posted by Stillhuntinghenry Stillhuntinghenry wrote:

Originally posted by Ireland4ever Ireland4ever wrote:

Well if he was offered a job in England or Europe and he turned it down for a big money offer from some footballing backwater then that says more about the man and his ambition than I could


Maybe he just fancied a break from the game and then a change of scenery, I don't know, then again neither do you. He's been in professional football no stop since he was 17, 2/3 years out of the game will hardly make a difference and in my view its a plus point. We'd get a guy coming in refreshed, perhaps with a point to prove.


A 2/3 year break is one thing. 10 is another.



He only left his last job in 2010
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Originally posted by Fintan Fintan wrote:

MON has won trophies in England with a club smaller than Leeds and he didn't have the stupid amounts of money that O'Leary was given



o'neill spent more than o'leary!! Tin cup or champions league? I'd say the villa board and financial backers would have preferred champions league

O'neill spent £120m and recouped £40m, net loss £80m

Sidwell £8.5
Curtis Davies £10m
Reo-Coker £8.5m
Harewood. £3.5m
Cuellar. £8m
Delph. £5m


O'leary may have splashed £18m on rio but he sold him for £30m

O'neill is not called a cheque book manager for nothing
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Originally posted by Stillhuntinghenry Stillhuntinghenry wrote:

Originally posted by Ireland4ever Ireland4ever wrote:

Well if he was offered a job in England or Europe and he turned it down for a big money offer from some footballing backwater then that says more about the man and his ambition than I could


Maybe he just fancied a break from the game and then a change of scenery, I don't know, then again neither do you. He's been in professional football no stop since he was 17, 2/3 years out of the game will hardly make a difference and in my view its a plus point. We'd get a guy coming in refreshed, perhaps with a point to prove.


A 2/3 year break is one thing. 10 is another.

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Originally posted by gufct gufct wrote:

David o'leary will never get a job in soccer again.


Typical brock comment from you, adding nothing to the debate
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MON has won trophies in England with a club smaller than Leeds and he didn't have the stupid amounts of money that O'Leary was given
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David o'leary will never get a job in soccer again.
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Originally posted by Stoked Up Stoked Up wrote:

Originally posted by Ireland4ever Ireland4ever wrote:

Did O'leary not get sacked from Leeds and Villa?

And out in UAE.

Has won nothing and couldn't hang on to any job.
I seriously doubt that Dave 'me babies' O'Leary, is up to the task.
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What has Mick McCarthy, Roy Keane or Brian McDermott ever won. Finishing top 4 these days is considered as good as a trophy and there was the small matter of 2 European semi finals one of which paled into insignificance due to the death of 2 Leeds fans in turkey.

He may not have won silverware but he is our most successful manager. Mick has been relegated and sacked how many times? McDermott only kept his first job in management for what 2 and half seasons:. Both men now manage mid-table championship teams. Roy keane has been bombed out of his 1st 2 jobs without lAsting the 2nd season. MON got sacked after 2 seasons with villa and 1 year with Sunderland.

If these guys are the standard for the short list then o'leary should be on it
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Originally posted by Ireland4ever Ireland4ever wrote:

Did O'leary not get sacked from Leeds and Villa?

And out in UAE.

Has won nothing and couldn't hang on to any job.
I seriously doubt that Dave 'me babies' O'Leary, is up to the task.
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TBF Trap did win league titles at Bayern and Inter something which O'Leary didn't at Leeds or Villa

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Originally posted by Ireland4ever Ireland4ever wrote:

Did O'leary not get sacked from Leeds and Villa?

Yes but sure Trap was sacked by Inter, Bayern and Italy.
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Did O'leary not get sacked from Leeds and Villa?
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