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Originally posted by NewtNewbie NewtNewbie wrote:

Obafemi is treated in a similar vein.

The prevalent attitude on here that Irish-born black players have to do more to prove their commitment to Ireland and should be viewed with certain amount of suspicion ought to trouble us all.



when first gen kids born in Ireland don’t automatically qualify for citizenship, it is an inevitable problem.
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So your "objective view of reality" is to make an assumption based on no concrete evidence whatsoever? If he's made himself unavailable for Ireland then why has he made not made himself available for England or Nigeria instead?
errr let me see:- A)Keeping options open
                         B) Probably not good enough to get in England youth squad
There is no logical reason he would not be getting picked for our youth team squads therefore the logical assumption would be he is , currently at least, not interested. A lot more convincing than your argument he isn't considered worth a place in the squad. 
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Originally posted by Conan Conan wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Conan Conan wrote:


So your "objective view of reality" is to make an assumption based on no concrete evidence whatsoever? If he's made himself unavailable for Ireland then why has he made not made himself available for England or Nigeria instead?
errr let me see:- A)Keeping options open
                         B) Probably not good enough to get in England youth squad
There is no logical reason he would not be getting picked for our youth team squads therefore the logical assumption would be he is , currently at least, not interested. A lot more convincing than your argument he isn't considered worth a place in the squad. 
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Keeping his options open in what sense? He can't be tied to us by playing at that level, so why would he refuse to play for Ireland and simultaneously not make himself available for England/Nigeria which you are insinuating is his clear preference? In what way is that "insecure", it's merely pointing out that your "logic" makes zero sense LOL
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Originally posted by Pauldaly1984 Pauldaly1984 wrote:

In the topic of deji Sotona anyone know why he hasn’t been involved underage with Ireland recently 
No idea.
Hopefully we dont lose him.

Because there have been other options ahead of him I'd imagine. We're fairly flush with strikers throughout our underage levels. Nothing to suggest he's going anywhere other than the fact he's of Nigerian heritage.
He isn’t a striker, he’s a winger. 
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He played on the left wing a bit for United last season, he's played the vast majority of his football as a striker. 
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

He played on the left wing a bit for United last season, he's played the vast majority of his football as a striker. 
He’s played on the left wing “a bit” at united for 3-4 years now. Nice have also just described him as a winger and he also says himself he’s a winger. So... he is in fact a winger. 
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Looking at the schedules, there'll be no opportunity to see any of these youth players for quite some time in an Ireland jersey.
As I understand it, because we are out of the U19 comp, we won't have any competitive U19 matches until next Autumn.

U17 returns in March so that's something.
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Originally posted by IrishCanadian IrishCanadian wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

He played on the left wing a bit for United last season, he's played the vast majority of his football as a striker. 
He’s played on the left wing “a bit” at united for 3-4 years now. Nice have also just described him as a winger and he also says himself he’s a winger. So... he is in fact a winger. 

I suppose that's why he has often played as no. 9, straight down the middle for United? He's clearly listed as a striker/winger. I'd suggest you stick to your area of expertise such as why Jonathan David is set to be a future recipient of the Ballon d'or Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Conan Conan wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Conan Conan wrote:


So your "objective view of reality" is to make an assumption based on no concrete evidence whatsoever? If he's made himself unavailable for Ireland then why has he made not made himself available for England or Nigeria instead?
errr let me see:- A)Keeping options open
                         B) Probably not good enough to get in England youth squad
There is no logical reason he would not be getting picked for our youth team squads therefore the logical assumption would be he is , currently at least, not interested. A lot more convincing than your argument he isn't considered worth a place in the squad. 
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Keeping his options open in what sense? He can't be tied to us by playing at that level, so why would he refuse to play for Ireland and simultaneously not make himself available for England/Nigeria which you are insinuating is his clear preference? In what way is that "insecure", it's merely pointing out that your "logic" makes zero sense LOL
It would delay and complicate the issue if he did intend to represent someone else. I don't know what his preference is, merely that he is apparently not interested in representing Ireland at this point or else he would have done so in the last three years wouldn't he unless you are still backing the far fetched 'not good enough to ever get in our squad' line of reasoning which is stretching reality even within your limited green blinkered perception of it LOL LOL
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Originally posted by IrishCanadian IrishCanadian wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

He played on the left wing a bit for United last season, he's played the vast majority of his football as a striker. 
He’s played on the left wing “a bit” at united for 3-4 years now. Nice have also just described him as a winger and he also says himself he’s a winger. So... he is in fact a winger. 

I wouldn’t even bother arguing with him, he can never admit when he’s wrong.
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Why would you admit you're wrong when you're not not wrong? What a nonsense comment.
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One thing I will say is that Nice called the lad Irish. I am sure that can give us all a clue where things are most likely to head if he does reach the standard.
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He started off as a winger but transitioned to striker in the last year or so. Honestly, does it matter? In the last decade there have been plenty of wide examples of strikers as wide players and vice versa. 
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Originally posted by Conan Conan wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Conan Conan wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Conan Conan wrote:


So your "objective view of reality" is to make an assumption based on no concrete evidence whatsoever? If he's made himself unavailable for Ireland then why has he made not made himself available for England or Nigeria instead?
errr let me see:- A)Keeping options open
                         B) Probably not good enough to get in England youth squad
There is no logical reason he would not be getting picked for our youth team squads therefore the logical assumption would be he is , currently at least, not interested. A lot more convincing than your argument he isn't considered worth a place in the squad. 
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Keeping his options open in what sense? He can't be tied to us by playing at that level, so why would he refuse to play for Ireland and simultaneously not make himself available for England/Nigeria which you are insinuating is his clear preference? In what way is that "insecure", it's merely pointing out that your "logic" makes zero sense LOL
It would delay and complicate the issue if he did intend to represent someone else. I don't know what his preference is, merely that he is apparently not interested in representing Ireland at this point or else he would have done so in the last three years wouldn't he unless you are still backing the far fetched 'not good enough to ever get in our squad' line of reasoning which is stretching reality even within your limited green blinkered perception of it LOL LOL

Explain how it would "delay and complicate" the process to represent Ireland now when he has already represented Ireland in the past? 

And what does "interest" have to do with it? Sotona could be as "interested" in representing Ireland as anyone else, but at the end of the day he doesn't pick the squads. More spurious reasoning.


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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Why would you admit you're wrong when you're not not wrong? What a nonsense comment.

Well he hasn’t played the vast majority of his football as a striker so you are wrong.
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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Why would you admit you're wrong when you're not not wrong? What a nonsense comment.

Well he hasn’t played the vast majority of his football as a striker so you are wrong.

Except he has, so I am not. I called Sotona a striker, he has played much of his football as a striker. I'm not seeing much issue here other than the usual suspects being catty about whatever I post.
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