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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9554 |
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I'm agreeing with your conspiracy theory that the FAI is a covert kidnapping ring designed only to lure vulnerable young Fenians away from the warm, loving embrace of the IFA of course. Sure how else could young Mr. Brown's comments be interpreted, a bright young lad who was promised the world only to have his dreams snatched away from him by themmuns down South!
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Hotlips_Hoolahan
Jack Charlton Joined: 04 Aug 2020 Status: Offline Points: 6615 |
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For a man who implies other people are racist for little or no reason, you sure are fond of using derogatory terms.
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9554 |
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Yes, I reserve the right to refer to my fellow Irishmen (and Irishwomen!) as Taigs, Fenians, Paddies, or Micks whenever I so feel the need. *(I'll put a nice big sarcasm alert here for any of our resident slow learners )*
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Hotlips_Hoolahan
Jack Charlton Joined: 04 Aug 2020 Status: Offline Points: 6615 |
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Another fine contribution to the thread. Well done.
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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When BP-F was first called up by NI, he had never represented England so could have switched back at any time before accepting his first competitive cap for us. You know, like Rice or Grealish. But considering he had never played under-age for England, was then Leeds Utd's 3rd choice gk and had just been sent back to them after failing a trial at York City(!), I seriously doubt he was ever on Southgate's speed dial! Meanwhile Lee Camp was 26 and hadn't represented England at any level for over 5 years when HE approached NI: As for Maik Taylor, as a UK citizen born outside the UK, under FIFA's rules he was entitled to play for any of the four home nations. He was 24 and playing non-league before he even got his chance to go f-t with Barnet FC. He eventually made his debut for the NI U-21 team in April 1998 at the age of 27, as an over-age player in a friendly vs Malta, a reflection of the fact that none of the other 3 home nations was in the slightest bit interested in capping him. And in any case, the 4 Associations came to a voluntary agreement soon after that in future any such player would have to have a clear connection with whoever wished to cap him. Further, this agreement was formally lodged with FIFA and is written into their statutes. So none of those is remotely like the case of the FAI making promises to a teenager to join them, thereby using up his only switch, made all the worse when force of numbers means he may not be good enough for ROI long term, but might have made a career with NI (see eg Michael McGovern).
Who are these players with "questionable links"? I'm not denyng the right of the FAI to select these players, merely the ethics of doing so. Meanwhile everyone who has ever played for us has qualified under the rules then pertaining
When Alex Bruce first broke through in senior football, both the FAI and IFA were interested. He chose ROI as was his right (though not because of any national sentiment - his granny was from Bangor btw), but because they were "the better team" [sic]. He just squeezed into your U-21 team despite having just turned 21 himself. Five years later, having only ever played a couple of meaningless senior friendles for the ROI (a summer tour to USA?), he knew that he had zero chance of ever getting any further there, so HE approached the IFA to switch. He first represented us aged 28. (Btw the whole point about a Gentlemens' Agreement is that it is entirely voluntary on both sides - no-one forced the FAI into it. Nor were they forced to break it, though maybe they thought they could do so on the basis that they were never "gentlemen" in the first place - see eg the John Delaney thread!)
"However unlikely" - you're a comedian I'll gve you that! As for Jimmy Dunne, Michael O'Neill was quite clear where the first approach came from: "Jimmy Dunne made it known that he would be interested in a conversation
with me. I had a conversation with Jimmy and if you look at the
situation, Jimmy Dunne is no different to Northern Ireland than Declan
Rice is to the Republic of Ireland — he’s eligible through
grandparents,” said O’Neill. In fact it is clear that Dunne was only using NI in order to put pressure on the FAI, which as I said previously is sneaky, but hardly a crime. As for Mad Mental Mickey, it is no concidence that HE approached the IFA when he was 20 i.e. just in time for our U-21's and soon after Stephen Kenny had taken over your U-21's, while being earmarked for the senior job. That is, MO'C knew there was nothing down for him with ROI, but hoped he might get somewhere with us. In any case we didn't promise him anything, since afaik he has yet to feature for us in any of our teams (open to correction).
"Hypocrisy" is it? I've swatted away every single example you've dragged up from down the decades to try to prove some sort of case. 1/10 - Must try harder. |
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Territorial
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Yes. The four home Associations voluntarily agreed between themselves not to exploit it and formally told FIFA so. (We wanted to emphasise the separate jursdictions of the 4 British teams) Btw it wasn't a loophole as such. FIFA's rules say that if you hold the nationality of a particular country, you are entitled to represent the national teams of that country. They say "teams" (plural), since they recognise that some countries, most notably but not exclusively the Uk, have more than one national team. Which for a Scot like yourself must be a welcome relief!
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NewtNewbie
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The Jersey-born former St Pat's goalkeeper, Trevor Wood, is another who was called up by the north despite having absolutely no familial connection there whatever.
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Territorial
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With the Channel Islands having no national team of their own, his only chance of an international career was with one of the 4 home nations and NI were the only one interested, unlike eg Le Tissier or Le Saux, who could have had their pick. [I say "career", but his sole NI cap came as a 2nd half substitute away to Leichtenstein. Twenty five years ago.] Edited by Territorial - 23 Sep 2020 at 5:15pm |
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Hotlips_Hoolahan
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The O'Shea when Edited by Hotlips_Hoolahan - 23 Sep 2020 at 6:11pm |
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BrendanD88
Roy Keane 99% of my posts are emojis Joined: 29 Mar 2013 Location: Co Down Status: Online Points: 10008 |
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 25081 |
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The Bamford one is priceless Edited by irishmufc - 23 Sep 2020 at 6:36pm |
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9554 |
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Did you spend your day preparing that? I really did rattle you yesterday, didn't I On an aside, James Shea isn't eligible for Ireland and Lonergan already declared about 9 years ago, but I suppose you do deal in inaccuracies
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Dr. Pat
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Well you obviously both rattled one another, seeing as you both prattled on for 4 pages. But his meme is kind of funny so he wins. Any chance you could both fu*cking leave it be now?
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Geremi has let Kilbane in here, cross comes out to Holland, 1:1!!
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9554 |
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If you don't like it, then don't read it, no one is forcing you. It's very simple really.
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DeclanDaly
Ray Houghton Joined: 17 Oct 2013 Location: Boston, USA Status: Offline Points: 3254 |
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It’s f**king annoying in fairness. You can DM or just have a special thread for you two to hug each other
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You asked if I'd be anyone from history, fact or fiction, dead or alive:
I said "I'd be Tony Cascarino, circa 1995" |
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Hotlips_Hoolahan
Jack Charlton Joined: 04 Aug 2020 Status: Offline Points: 6615 |
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He's so easy to trigger.
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DeclanDaly
Ray Houghton Joined: 17 Oct 2013 Location: Boston, USA Status: Offline Points: 3254 |
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You’re annoying too
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You asked if I'd be anyone from history, fact or fiction, dead or alive:
I said "I'd be Tony Cascarino, circa 1995" |
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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I found it made this thread much more entertaining. That was a quality meme too, credit where it is dues.
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