Players eligible for Ireland

Green Devil wrote: An honest question here for the patriots, if Bamford scored the winner against Slovakia would you celebrate or be sick? Any player who shows up for international duty is doing so because they want to be there no matter if they feel a million percent Irish or had never stepped foot in the country pre meeting up with the squad. I would be in the camp that gives said player the benefit of the doubt, thereby judging them on their performances or actions after they link up with the squad as opposed to beforehand.

Sure why stop there? Why not say if he scores the winner in the World Cup final?

I will cheer on any player that is playing for us, even if I don't like them, as he's stuck with us, and we're stuck with him (assuming they've been capped in a competitive game). I would much prefer though if we had a bit of pride in ourselves and didn't hand out caps to people who clearly have very little interest in playing for us.

I don't support a club side. To me the highest honour in football is to represent your country, and to have Irish people robbed of the opportunity to play for Ireland in order to give a cap to someone like Bamford, who has no interest in playing for us if he feels he has even the slightest chance of playing for England, is in my view wrong.

Paulie wrote: Green Devil wrote: An honest question here for the patriots, if Bamford scored the winner against Slovakia would you celebrate or be sick? Any player who shows up for international duty is doing so because they want to be there no matter if they feel a million percent Irish or had never stepped foot in the country pre meeting up with the squad. I would be in the camp that gives said player the benefit of the doubt, thereby judging them on their performances or actions after they link up with the squad as opposed to beforehand. Sure why stop there? Why not say if he scores the winner in the World Cup final? I will cheer on any player that is playing for us, even if I don't like them, as he's stuck with us, and we're stuck with him (assuming they've been capped in a competitive game). I would much prefer though if we had a bit of pride in ourselves and didn't hand out caps to people who clearly have very little interest in playing for us. I don't support a club side. To me the highest honour in football is to represent your country, and to have Irish people robbed of the opportunity to play for Ireland in order to give a cap to someone like Bamford, who has no interest in playing for us if he feels he has even the slightest chance of playing for England, is in my view wrong.

Green Devil wrote: An honest question here for the patriots, if Bamford scored the winner against Slovakia would you celebrate or be sick? Any player who shows up for international duty is doing so because they want to be there no matter if they feel a million percent Irish or had never stepped foot in the country pre meeting up with the squad. I would be in the camp that gives said player the benefit of the doubt, thereby judging them on their performances or actions after they link up with the squad as opposed to beforehand.

Edited by Olaf - 21 Jul 2020 at 9:02pm

Green Devil wrote: irishmufc wrote: Green Devil wrote: An honest question here for the patriots, if Bamford scored the winner against Slovakia would you celebrate or be sick?  Any player who shows up for international duty is doing so because they want to be there no matter if they feel a million percent Irish or had never stepped foot in the country pre meeting up with the squad. I would be in the camp that gives said player the benefit of the doubt, thereby judging them on their performances or actions after they link up with the squad as opposed to beforehand. It's a stupid question GD.  The ship has long sailed for giving Bamford the benefit of the doubt. Too much dilly-dallying with him.He isn't going to declare anyway but if he did, then most rational Irish supporters would be celebrating if he scored for us.  Why is it stupid  It's stupid because almost all Irish supporters would celebrate without hesitation if any Irish player scored for us no matter what they think personally of the player himself.  By your logic it's absolutely impossible to even assume that he may line out for us when in truth it isn't. I'm saying he won't declare for us imo but I was hardly saying it was impossible. Of course it's possible.  So what's the problem, if a player turns up and puts in a shift shouldn't he be given the benefit of the doubt? There's no problem at all. I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt in him actaully declaring and playing for us, not that I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt even if he did and was playing for us.

Green Devil wrote: irishmufc wrote: Green Devil wrote: An honest question here for the patriots, if Bamford scored the winner against Slovakia would you celebrate or be sick?  It's a stupid question GD.  The ship has long sailed for giving Bamford the benefit of the doubt. Too much dilly-dallying with him.He isn't going to declare anyway but if he did, then most rational Irish supporters would be celebrating if he scored for us.  Why is it stupid  By your logic it's absolutely impossible to even assume that he may line out for us when in truth it isn't. So what's the problem, if a player turns up and puts in a shift shouldn't he be given the benefit of the doubt?

Paulie wrote: Green Devil wrote: I would like to Stephen Kenny leaving no stone unturned and do his best to make our playing pool as deep as possible, provided he's going for quality over quantity. Ask a player once, if he delays move on. But yet you're advocating going back to ask Bamford again. Make your mind up. I've no issue putting it to a player once, but if he turns down a call up as he needs more time, then that should be the end of the matter.

Green Devil wrote: Paulie wrote: Green Devil wrote: I would like to Stephen Kenny leaving no stone unturned and do his best to make our playing pool as deep as possible, provided he's going for quality over quantity. Ask a player once, if he delays move on. But yet you're advocating going back to ask Bamford again. Make your mind up. I've no issue putting it to a player once, but if he turns down a call up as he needs more time, then that should be the end of the matter. I'm advocating going to back to ask Bamford because we have a new manager in place, McCarthy was a glorified stopgap so his word couldn't carry the same weight as that of a permanent appointment.

Ah would you stop ffs. He's been asked. He didn't want to play for us. That should be the end of it.

Green Devil wrote: I would like to Stephen Kenny leaving no stone unturned and do his best to make our playing pool as deep as possible, provided he's going for quality over quantity. Ask a player once, if he delays move on.

Green Cockade wrote: Either they want to play for us or they don't. Michael Obafemi is a good example of someone who could have taken his time but took no persuasion to play for Ireland. Mark Noble, Nathan Redmond, Martin Keown, Harry Kane, Michael Keane, etc were upfront when it came to it and made no bones about wanting to play for England. But spare me the antics of Grealish, Rice, Bamford and any other posturing ninnies like them who think it's acceptable to play silly ' will he, won't he ' games purely for self-interest. Kenny has the right idea-give them one shot, away from the glare of the media, and if they're not up for it, cheerio.