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Originally posted by Healy52003 Healy52003 wrote:

Hard to see Harvey Nevile staying with us 
Yea won’t be with us long, will be dropped in no time. He is out of his depth at u18s level. 


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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by cildaratown cildaratown wrote:

not really breaking news and not really that pivotal given his season, but Crowley may not be eligible. Wish the FAI would appeal these cases incase it impacts us further down the line. 


So am I right in thinking, if you are born in England for example, and don't have an Irish passport when playing for an underage setup. Even if one of your parents is Irish, you can not play for Ireland? 

If so, its not good for us.

Think you need to be registered on the foreign birth register rather than holding a passport but open to correction. 
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

It also means that Callum Robinson is now in a John Aldridge type situation, playing for us even though he isn't qualified. His transfer to the Ireland setup has been approved so there's no going back now, but the FAI really do need to get this changed to cover for future situations (also possibly so that Crowley can be made eligible).

How was Aldridge not qualified? Think there's been differing reports as to whether it was his great grandmother or his grandmother being from Athlone but the FIFA regs were different back then. Only needed to be eligible for citizenship rather than actively holding it. He always said he was given an Irish passport back in 86 unlike some other players who traveled on British ones. 
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

It also means that Callum Robinson is now in a John Aldridge type situation, playing for us even though he isn't qualified. His transfer to the Ireland setup has been approved so there's no going back now, but the FAI really do need to get this changed to cover for future situations (also possibly so that Crowley can be made eligible).

How was Aldridge not qualified? Think there's been differing reports as to whether it was his great grandmother or his grandmother being from Athlone but the FIFA regs were different back then. Only needed to be eligible for citizenship rather than actively holding it. He always said he was given an Irish passport back in 86 unlike some other players who traveled on British ones. 

It was discussed previously. His link to Ireland has erroneously been reported as his great grandmother, however it was actually his grandmother. I'd imagine she moved over at a very young age and thus there was confusion as to whether it was her or her mother that was Irish born.
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

It also means that Callum Robinson is now in a John Aldridge type situation, playing for us even though he isn't qualified. His transfer to the Ireland setup has been approved so there's no going back now, but the FAI really do need to get this changed to cover for future situations (also possibly so that Crowley can be made eligible).

How was Aldridge not qualified? Think there's been differing reports as to whether it was his great grandmother or his grandmother being from Athlone but the FIFA regs were different back then. Only needed to be eligible for citizenship rather than actively holding it. He always said he was given an Irish passport back in 86 unlike some other players who traveled on British ones. 

It has always been reported that he qualified through a great grandparent. If that is the case then he didn't actually qualify at all. He was later given an Irish passport, but that does not necessarily mean he was eligible for the football team, countries can give passports to whoever they want as a one off.

Now, if he had an Irish born grandparent as suggested by another poster there then he would of course have qualified. But his qualification has always been described as being through a great grandparent. It does look as though, a bit like Callum Robinson, he got through the red tape without actually being qualified to play for us.

Happy to stand corrected if anyone can prove otherwise though.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

It also means that Callum Robinson is now in a John Aldridge type situation, playing for us even though he isn't qualified. His transfer to the Ireland setup has been approved so there's no going back now, but the FAI really do need to get this changed to cover for future situations (also possibly so that Crowley can be made eligible).

How was Aldridge not qualified? Think there's been differing reports as to whether it was his great grandmother or his grandmother being from Athlone but the FIFA regs were different back then. Only needed to be eligible for citizenship rather than actively holding it. He always said he was given an Irish passport back in 86 unlike some other players who traveled on British ones. 

It has always been reported that he qualified through a great grandparent. If that is the case then he didn't actually qualify at all. He was later given an Irish passport, but that does not necessarily mean he was eligible for the football team, countries can give passports to whoever they want as a one off.

Now, if he had an Irish born grandparent as suggested by another poster there then he would of course have qualified. But his qualification has always been described as being through a great grandparent. It does look as though, a bit like Callum Robinson, he got through the red tape without actually being qualified to play for us.

Happy to stand corrected if anyone can prove otherwise though.

You can take it from the man himself that you're incorrect. Aldridge has stated he qualified through his grandmother. If Aldridge was ineligible, he would not have been allowed to continue to play for us for 10 years. FIFA don't just let you get away with continuing to field an ineligible player simply because you got away with it once.
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Aldridge would have gotten an Irish passport at some stage would he not given that's how the thing with Cas emerged. (Not that it was the problem they thought it was at first) 

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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

As long as you are Irish born or have an Irish born parent (anywhere on the island) you're automatically an Irish citizen from birth. So no issue playing for Ireland even if you've already played underage for another country.

The Crowley/Johansson situation relates to people who qualify through grandparents only. They are not automatically Irish citizens, they must apply to become Irish citizens. If they haven't done thisbefore they represent another country they're ineligible for us.

So Johansson has grandparents born in Ireland but had not become an Irish citizen before he played for Luxembourg underage. So he's ineligible. Similarly Crowley had played for England underage before trying to become an Irish citizen, he's ineligible too.

They can still become Irish citizens if they want of course, but under current Fifa rules they can't play for us.

The question is whether we are taking any steps to have the rule changed.

It is actually making RJ sound a bit more far removed than he is. his mothers parent are both fully Irish and she just happened to be born abroad and they moved home. I really think this was a nonsense decision. his mother is FUlly Irish and it shouldn't have counted as a granny rule in this case
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 Thomás Doyle for Man City must have some Irish in him. He came on yesterday.


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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

 Thomás Doyle for Man City must have some Irish in him. He came on yesterday.


No link with us. Paternal grandfather Mick Doyle played with City and also his maternal grandfather Glyn Pardoe played with City. Both Brits and married Brits. There is no fada in his name like you stated above. 
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Didn't Shane Long ask him after a League Cup game earlier in the season if he was Irish and he said no
 
 
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Didn't Shane Long ask him after a League Cup game earlier in the season if he was Irish and he said no
 
 

Apparently he did 

At the end, Shane Long came up to me and he said 'do you have any Irish in you?' Obviously, because of my last name, Doyle.

To hear that from someone who's been around the game a massive time, and got a load of international caps for Ireland, it does mean something to me.


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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

It also means that Callum Robinson is now in a John Aldridge type situation, playing for us even though he isn't qualified. His transfer to the Ireland setup has been approved so there's no going back now, but the FAI really do need to get this changed to cover for future situations (also possibly so that Crowley can be made eligible).

How was Aldridge not qualified? Think there's been differing reports as to whether it was his great grandmother or his grandmother being from Athlone but the FIFA regs were different back then. Only needed to be eligible for citizenship rather than actively holding it. He always said he was given an Irish passport back in 86 unlike some other players who traveled on British ones. 

It has always been reported that he qualified through a great grandparent. If that is the case then he didn't actually qualify at all. He was later given an Irish passport, but that does not necessarily mean he was eligible for the football team, countries can give passports to whoever they want as a one off.

Now, if he had an Irish born grandparent as suggested by another poster there then he would of course have qualified. But his qualification has always been described as being through a great grandparent. It does look as though, a bit like Callum Robinson, he got through the red tape without actually being qualified to play for us.

Happy to stand corrected if anyone can prove otherwise though.

Said it was his Grandmother on The Tommy Tiernan Show a few years ago and not the first time he's said it either.

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Originally posted by Yiksheemash Yiksheemash wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

 Thomás Doyle for Man City must have some Irish in him. He came on yesterday.


No link with us. Paternal grandfather Mick Doyle played with City and also his maternal grandfather Glyn Pardoe played with City. Both Brits and married Brits. There is no fada in his name like you stated above. 

Please don't use the word brits. England, English. I know you Irish love that word because it gives you some kind of gratification.  As an Englishman living in England., that word disgusts me
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Originally posted by Englishborn Englishborn wrote:

Originally posted by Yiksheemash Yiksheemash wrote:

[QUOTE=Zinedine Kilbane 110] Thomás Doyle for Man City must have some Irish in him. He came on yesterday.


No link with us. Paternal grandfather Mick Doyle played with City and also his maternal grandfather Glyn Pardoe played with City. Both Brits and married Brits. There is no fada in his name like you stated above. 

Please don't use the word brits. England, English. I know you Irish love that word because it gives you some kind of gratification.  As an Englishman living in England., that word disgusts me
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As an Irish man living in Ireland, the fact that an English man living in England is annoyed at being called a Brit delights me. 
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