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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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UPDATE: Is there another "Danny Invincible" out there? Or has your DI changed his tune since October 2017? For here is what he posted on another site, wrt Conor Tee of Leicester City, son of an English-born mother, whose own mother (CT's grandmother) was Mayo-born (my emphasis): From Danny Invincibile Mk.I - [Conor's] uncle's statement is technically correct. He's quoted as saying: "[Conor] wants to play for Ireland and the Leicester Under 18 manager has been in contact with the FAI. If he was to play, he would actually qualify through his granny as Maureen [his mother] was born in England before we moved home not long after." Tee's mother is an automatic Irish national from birth on account of the fact that she was born to Irish citizens who were born in Ireland - I don't think the uncle is denying that - but as she herself was not born in Ireland, Tee's birth would have to be registered in the Foreign Births Register for him to acquire Irish citizenship. The article 7 criteria would apply to him then as he isn't a national from birth and the only criterion he satisfies is 7(c), relating to grandparentage from the territory of the relevant association. (See also Article 7, page 71, of the relevant FIFA Regulations: https://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/02/78/29/07/fifastatutsweben_neutral.pdf ) |
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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Well, on Gabriel's point, his kids would be eligible to play for Ireland, undoubtedly. Gabriel is (presumably) an Irish citizen born in Ireland (on the island). As such, his kids are automatically eligible. It doesn't matter where on the island Gabriel is born. I appreciate there is a gray area if Gabriel's *grandkids* rather than his *kids* (the original question) wanted to play for Ireland *and* if Gabriel was born in Northern Ireland. That specific matter has not been tested (that is, a person whose only link to Ireland is a grandparent Irish citizen who was born in Northern Ireland). That is the O'Shea's question, and is as yet unanswered, afaik. However, a person born to *parents* who are Irish citizens who were born in Northern Ireland is eligible, and automatically a citizen, given that those people are citizens from birth who do not have to register on the foreign births register.
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Denis Irwin
Robbie Keane Stay Home & watch Lethal Weapon Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Location: Ath Cliath Status: Offline Points: 37886 |
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Alex Bruce (Even if he did switch to the North) Granny was from Down IIRC
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
Bill O'Herlihy: Ah ye can't be saying that now Eamonn |
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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Correct. However, I believe the FIFA eligibility criteria were changed after his friendly appearances, and players from before then were presumably grandfathered in (excuse the use of grandfather here, everyone knows what a grandfather clause is). Edit: actually the FIFA rules were changed in 2004 and Alex Bruce played for Ireland first in February 2006. Dunno how that happened.
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Territorial
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The O'Shea, however, seems certain that such grandkids are OK to represent ROI, not least because his mate Danny Invincibile thinks so. (YBIG). Or doesn't (foot.ie).
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Territorial
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But the possibility remains that the FAI initially got it wrong, thus explaining why he never got a competitive* cap, only in friendlies. * - Any Association may pick whoever they like for friendlies, but aren't ever going to select someone who they know is not eligible for competitive games, for obvious reasons.
Edited by Territorial - 11 Jan 2019 at 4:12pm |
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9485 |
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The clear flaw(s) in your argument were tirelessly laid out for you already, you still chose to ignore them. The easiest way to sum it up is with two simple examples; Alex Bruce and Adam Barton.
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We're decent enough..
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NIGreenWall
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How many times has it so be said that Alex Bruce qualifies for the ROI through his ROI born grandparent on his mothers side irrespective of the NI born grandparent on his fathers side. https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bruce-junior-plots-irish-future-19280 Adam Barton as you correctly say has no ROI link and played for your U21's based on his NI born grandparent, as far as the FAI are concerned there is no difference, FIFA don't look into the intricacies of all its members citizenship laws so it would be up to the IFA to raise a query with FIFA to see if the FAI's policy is correct or not. |
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Territorial
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Any other examples? You know, from the dozens of potential players to whom this NI granny application might apply? No hurry, btw. For I'm actually more interested in your comment on the Danny Invincibile quotation I dug out from foot.ie, where he contradicted his own and your assertion on this matter.
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horsebox
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Jimmy Dunne and Michael O'Connor are 2 other players currently being poached by the O'Neill.
I'm sure there are many others. Bottom line is O'Neill is poaching players from the ROI no matter what spin you put on it. |
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Denis Irwin
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Now now Horsey don't be bringing facts into this that undermine Terri
Edited by Denis Irwin - 11 Jan 2019 at 5:44pm |
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coyne
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You've done it now HB. You've done the thing he's most allergic to and provided facts.
He'll now beat you down with irrelevant numbers and articles, prepare yourself
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Luis Amor Rodriguez
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Fact is, for all the abuse you're giving Terri, he's correct.
The selection of players apparently eligible for Ireland solely through a NI born grandparent is a grey area for the reasons he concisely and cogently points out about 3 pages back - just look at the wording of the various FIFA statutes and ROI citizenship rules (if you want good bed-time reading material). AFAIK, no such player has played a competitive senior international for ROI. However, if it were tested, my expectation is that a fudge would be made and the player would be ruled eligible. I appreciate we're re-hashing a discussion that was done to death here a year or so ago.
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coyne
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That's the only purpose this thread has served tbh. Re-hashing players who were talked about years ago
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Territorial
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Whereas we are talking about foreign-born players who as Irish nationals are looking to represent the FAI without having the requisite ROI-born grandparent(s) (or Irish born parents). Either you lack the intelligence to see the difference, or the integrity to accept it, but whichever it is, you're only making yourself look silly.
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Territorial
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With the Kearns case, for instance, the CAS came down on the side of the FAI only, since that accorded with their strict interpretation of FIFA's rules - i.e. no "fudge" there.
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Territorial
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Speaking of whom.... Is there another "Danny Invincible" out there? Or has your DI changed his tune since October 2017? For here is what he posted on another site, wrt Conor Tee of Leicester City, son of an English-born mother, whose own mother (CT's grandmother) was Mayo-born (my emphasis): From Danny Invincibile Mk.I - [Conor's] uncle's statement is technically correct. He's quoted as saying: "[Conor] wants to play for Ireland and the Leicester Under 18 manager has been in contact with the FAI. If he was to play, he would actually qualify through his granny as Maureen [his mother] was born in England before we moved home not long after." Tee's mother is an automatic Irish national from birth on account of the fact that she was born to Irish citizens who were born in Ireland - I don't think the uncle is denying that - but as she herself was not born in Ireland, Tee's birth would have to be registered in the Foreign Births Register for him to acquire Irish citizenship. The article 7 criteria would apply to him then as he isn't a national from birth and the only criterion he satisfies is 7(c), relating to grandparentage from the territory of the relevant association. "The lines are open, and I'm waiting for your call, Danny!"
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Luis Amor Rodriguez
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Jaysis Terri, talk about waiting in the long grass for poor Danny...
Stalking the poor fooker through various websites so you can nail him on here
Edited by Luis Amor Rodriguez - 11 Jan 2019 at 8:17pm |
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