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probably been done to death on here but Jack Clarke of Leeds ? Playing well now
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has anyone actually asked mick About Dan Crowley?is he aware of him even
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Originally posted by aviva8 aviva8 wrote:

has anyone actually asked mick About Dan Crowley?is he aware of him even

The bigger question is how many people have actually watched him rather than just go off 2nd hand hype
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the fact that he is playing regularly in a decent league in europe and contributing goals and assists from a number 10 role.... surely this is all the information we need to want our manager to at least check him out
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Callum Slattery on the bench for Southampton tonight for the first time. Does he qualify?
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Redmond playing well. Doubt he switches as mentioned before but hope Mick at least tries for him. 
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I probably should know the answer to this but don’t. Me and my mates are out in Sydney, we were talking about if you stayed would you kids play for Ireland of Australia. All of us said Ireland obviously but with us being born in Belfast would they qualify? I know McClean etc all qualify for Ireland being born in the north but is it any different for 2nd generation? 
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No, you're indistinguishable from any other Irish citizen, you can pass your citizenship onto your kids.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

No, you're indistinguishable from any other Irish citizen, you can pass your citizenship onto your kids.

I’m a good few beers deep, I’m abit slow right now. So could they play for Ireland, yes or no LOL
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Originally posted by Gabrieléire Gabrieléire wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

No, you're indistinguishable from any other Irish citizen, you can pass your citizenship onto your kids.

I’m a good few beers deep, I’m abit slow right now. So could they play for Ireland, yes or no LOL

YES

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Yes, and your grandkids, just like the rest of us.
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Originally posted by Gabrieléire Gabrieléire wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

No, you're indistinguishable from any other Irish citizen, you can pass your citizenship onto your kids.

I’m a good few beers deep, I’m abit slow right now. So could they play for Ireland, yes or no LOL

Posted at 8.20 LOLLOL Some life

.. Nevermind


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Originally posted by Gabrieléire Gabrieléire wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

No, you're indistinguishable from any other Irish citizen, you can pass your citizenship onto your kids.

I’m a good few beers deep, I’m abit slow right now. So could they play for Ireland, yes or no LOL
Possibly "yes", possibly "no".

Anyone born outside of Ireland to a parent(s) from either part of Ireland is automatically an Irish national from birth and therefore entitled to be selected by the FAI.

However, afaik someone born outside Ireland who relies on an Irish-born grandparent(s) is certainly automatically entitled to Irish nationality, but may not actually be an Irish national until the point at which he/she is entered onto the Register of Foreign Births.

Should that be so, then FIFA may consider this person to be "acquiring a new nationality" (i.e. other than that the country of birth eg Australia, UK etc). And FIFA's rules are clear that for anyone acquiring a new nationality, the grandparent would have to have been born on the territory of the new Association which the grandchild wishes to represent. Therefore if the grandparent(s) was born in NI, then the relevant association would be the IFA, not the FAI.

I should add that I'm by no means certain about this, and although there may have been one or two individuals capped by the FAI at under-age level who did not satisfy this test (Adam Barton?), they may have been an oversight?

In any case, I'm pretty sure it has never been tested at "A" (senior) international level, for a competitive game at least.


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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Gabrieléire Gabrieléire wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

No, you're indistinguishable from any other Irish citizen, you can pass your citizenship onto your kids.

I’m a good few beers deep, I’m abit slow right now. So could they play for Ireland, yes or no LOL
Possibly "yes", possibly "no".

Anyone born outside of Ireland to a parent(s) from either part of Ireland is automatically an Irish national from birth and therefore entitled to be selected by the FAI.

However, afaik someone born outside Ireland who relies on an Irish-born grandparent(s) is certainly automatically entitled to Irish nationality, but may not actually be an Irish national until the point at which he/she is entered onto the Register of Foreign Births.

Should that be so, then FIFA may consider this person to be "acquiring a new nationality" (i.e. other than that the country of birth eg Australia, UK etc). And FIFA's rules are clear that for anyone acquiring a new nationality, the grandparent would have to have been born on the territory of the new Association which the grandchild wishes to represent. Therefore if the grandparent(s) was born in NI, then the relevant association would be the IFA, not the FAI.

I should add that I'm by no means certain about this, and although there may have been one or two individuals capped by the FAI at under-age level who did not satisfy this test (Adam Barton?), they may have been an oversight?

In any case, I'm pretty sure it has never been tested at "A" (senior) international level, for a competitive game at least.


Even if the said grandparent had an Irish Passport?
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Gabrieléire Gabrieléire wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

No, you're indistinguishable from any other Irish citizen, you can pass your citizenship onto your kids.

I’m a good few beers deep, I’m abit slow right now. So could they play for Ireland, yes or no LOL
Possibly "yes", possibly "no".

Anyone born outside of Ireland to a parent(s) from either part of Ireland is automatically an Irish national from birth and therefore entitled to be selected by the FAI.

However, afaik someone born outside Ireland who relies on an Irish-born grandparent(s) is certainly automatically entitled to Irish nationality, but may not actually be an Irish national until the point at which he/she is entered onto the Register of Foreign Births.

Should that be so, then FIFA may consider this person to be "acquiring a new nationality" (i.e. other than that the country of birth eg Australia, UK etc). And FIFA's rules are clear that for anyone acquiring a new nationality, the grandparent would have to have been born on the territory of the new Association which the grandchild wishes to represent. Therefore if the grandparent(s) was born in NI, then the relevant association would be the IFA, not the FAI.

I should add that I'm by no means certain about this, and although there may have been one or two individuals capped by the FAI at under-age level who did not satisfy this test (Adam Barton?), they may have been an oversight?

In any case, I'm pretty sure it has never been tested at "A" (senior) international level, for a competitive game at least.

There's no "possibly" about this. We went through it ad infinitum around a year ago and definitive evidence was provided to you repeatedly by both myself and Danny Invincible which you simply chose not to accept... Your refusal to accept it does not change the finality of the evidence, however, no matter how much you might wish it did.
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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Gabrieléire Gabrieléire wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

No, you're indistinguishable from any other Irish citizen, you can pass your citizenship onto your kids.

I’m a good few beers deep, I’m abit slow right now. So could they play for Ireland, yes or no LOL
Possibly "yes", possibly "no".

Anyone born outside of Ireland to a parent(s) from either part of Ireland is automatically an Irish national from birth and therefore entitled to be selected by the FAI.

However, afaik someone born outside Ireland who relies on an Irish-born grandparent(s) is certainly automatically entitled to Irish nationality, but may not actually be an Irish national until the point at which he/she is entered onto the Register of Foreign Births.

Should that be so, then FIFA may consider this person to be "acquiring a new nationality" (i.e. other than that the country of birth eg Australia, UK etc). And FIFA's rules are clear that for anyone acquiring a new nationality, the grandparent would have to have been born on the territory of the new Association which the grandchild wishes to represent. Therefore if the grandparent(s) was born in NI, then the relevant association would be the IFA, not the FAI.

I should add that I'm by no means certain about this, and although there may have been one or two individuals capped by the FAI at under-age level who did not satisfy this test (Adam Barton?), they may have been an oversight?

In any case, I'm pretty sure it has never been tested at "A" (senior) international level, for a competitive game at least.


Even if the said grandparent had an Irish Passport?
Except we're not talking about capping the grandparent here!

Of course such a grandparent's nationality confers the right for the grandchild to acquire an Irish passport. 

But mere possession of a passport does not in itself confer eligibility to represent an Association. 

For example, the last major revision of the eligibility rules by FIFA followed on from the governments of Qatar and Cape Verde etc giving out passports to Brazilian footballers who weren't quite good enough to play for the country of their birth, but who would certainly have been good enough to represent their "new" country.

The point being that these passports were acquired perfectly legally (if cynically).


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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Should that be so, then FIFA may consider this person to be "acquiring a new nationality" (i.e. other than that the country of birth eg Australia, UK etc). And FIFA's rules are clear that for anyone acquiring a new nationality, the grandparent would have to have been born on the territory of the new Association which the grandchild wishes to represent. Therefore if the grandparent(s) was born in NI, then the relevant association would be the IFA, not the FAI.

I should add that I'm by no means certain about this, and although there may have been one or two individuals capped by the FAI at under-age level who did not satisfy this test (Adam Barton?), they may have been an oversight?

In any case, I'm pretty sure it has never been tested at "A" (senior) international level, for a competitive game at least.

There's no "possibly" about this. We went through it ad infinitum around a year ago and definitive evidence was provided to you repeatedly by both myself and Danny Invincible which you simply chose not to accept... Your refusal to accept it does not change the finality of the evidence, however, no matter how much you might wish it did.
Unless you can point to a clear flaw in my argument; or you can point to a specific adjudication; or until it is properly tested by an actual example, you cannot claim that it is "definitive".

I am saying it could still go either way.
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