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Precisely O'Shea.  Diminuitive keeper playing in front of a man and his dog in low-ranked league.  Doesn't scream Peter Cech standards does it?

So can't see what your original objection was.  Lads here trying to discuss the issues and not have the thread go off course with your profoundly stupid off-point comments.

We're still waiting on "O'Shea's Hidden Gems" - international standard players playing for incy-wincy clubs at the age of 25....   Wacko
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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Precisely O'Shea.  Diminuitive keeper playing in front of a man and his dog in low-ranked league.  Doesn't scream Peter Cech standards does it?

It does these days.
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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

@Luis, 

I'm not dismissing what your saying at all and I actually can see where you're coming from "but" you make the same points over and over on countless threads! This is what's annoying.

How many times have you brought up examples of Wales capping "player x" and Northern Ireland capping "player y" it's beyond repetitive.

As I said, we have benefitted more than most if not anyother nation in regard to the granny rule, you only have to look at how many UK born players are in our underage and senior set up.

This doesn't mean we shouldn't be actively recruiting more UK born players because we should, but surely to God you can see making the same points over and over can wear thin? 

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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Fair enough GD.  

It's just a very obvious point.

It is repetitive in what's happening in football simply because it actually comes up time and time again in what's happening in football.  Rice last week.  Ampadu and a whole host of Irish-eligible lads capped this week with zero effort by us.  

It's a repetitive news cycle which corresponds with our senior team's demise.  Until it's addressed, we can forget about success.

We defo benefitted in the past from the heritage rules, but, uniquely amongst other nations, are slow in using it now.  It's a (in my view, the) key reason why we're falling behind in results.  So I think it's fairly important if you're interested in the Irish senior team.

I disagree completely,

The reason we're falling so far behind is down to the lack of money being pumped into grassroots football be it for the players and the coaches.

We are in essence depending on other countries to develop players for us (not including Irish born players who are brought to England after being scouted) because we don't care enough about developing our own talent and we're just too lazy, we just hope that England or wherever keeps churning out dual nationals that will just come good and pick us.



There's a point in that.  Nobody disagrees in investing in our youth system within the 26 counties. 

However, out of a population of 4m you're only going to ever produce so many PL or top championship players.  That's always been the case and is reflected in all the best Irish teams, which have all been infused by dual-nationality lads, usually chased up very proactively by the likes of Jack and Mick. 

We probably produce more good players for our domestic population than most comparatively sized populations, with odd exceptions like Iceland (an unprecedented statistical freak, supported admittedly by good youth development) and Croatia (also a very unique case).

Do Scotland produce better players within their borders?  I don't think so.  

So to pull us out of being on par with all the other (weak) countries who have populations of 4 m or so, we need to be proactive in using our diaspora.
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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Precisely O'Shea.  Diminuitive keeper playing in front of a man and his dog in low-ranked league.  Doesn't scream Peter Cech standards does it?

So can't see what your original objection was.  Lads here trying to discuss the issues and not have the thread go off course with your profoundly stupid off-point comments.

We're still waiting on "O'Shea's Hidden Gems" - international standard players playing for incy-wincy clubs at the age of 25....   Wacko

What do you mean "precisely", you've never seen him play you chancer LOL He's about 6'0, which isn't a criticism of him, but it may well have influenced bigger clubs opinion of him. I'm not claiming McDermott is world class or anything of the sort; I'm merely ridiculing your utterly ridiculous assertion that the stadium capacity of his club has any bearing whatsoever on his ability.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Precisely O'Shea.  Diminuitive keeper playing in front of a man and his dog in low-ranked league.  Doesn't scream Peter Cech standards does it?

So can't see what your original objection was.  Lads here trying to discuss the issues and not have the thread go off course with your profoundly stupid off-point comments.

We're still waiting on "O'Shea's Hidden Gems" - international standard players playing for incy-wincy clubs at the age of 25....   Wacko

What do you mean "precisely", you've never seen him play you chancer LOL He's about 6'0, which isn't a criticism of him, but it may well have influenced bigger clubs opinion of him. I'm not claiming McDermott is world class or anything of the sort; I'm merely ridiculing your utterly ridiculous assertion that the stadium capacity of his club has any bearing whatsoever on his ability.

It's not complicated O'Shea, and surprised you're persisting with such rubbish. 

For the umpteenth time, how many players do you know who are international-class (for a pot 2 team say) who are playing at teeny clubs of 4,000 capacity stadiums at 25?  

Do you not think that if they are international-class players they'll generally have moved on by the time they're 25?  

Is that so confusing to you, or are you just deliberately wasting everyone's time?


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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Fair enough GD.  

It's just a very obvious point.

It is repetitive in what's happening in football simply because it actually comes up time and time again in what's happening in football.  Rice last week.  Ampadu and a whole host of Irish-eligible lads capped this week with zero effort by us.  

It's a repetitive news cycle which corresponds with our senior team's demise.  Until it's addressed, we can forget about success.

We defo benefitted in the past from the heritage rules, but, uniquely amongst other nations, are slow in using it now.  It's a (in my view, the) key reason why we're falling behind in results.  So I think it's fairly important if you're interested in the Irish senior team.

I disagree completely,

The reason we're falling so far behind is down to the lack of money being pumped into grassroots football be it for the players and the coaches.

We are in essence depending on other countries to develop players for us (not including Irish born players who are brought to England after being scouted) because we don't care enough about developing our own talent and we're just too lazy, we just hope that England or wherever keeps churning out dual nationals that will just come good and pick us.



There's a point in that.  Nobody disagrees in investing in our youth system within the 26 counties. 

However, out of a population of 4m you're only going to ever produce so many PL or top championship players.  That's always been the case and is reflected in all the best Irish teams, which have all been infused by dual-nationality lads, usually chased up very proactively by the likes of Jack and Mick. 

We probably produce more good players for our domestic population than most comparatively sized populations, with odd exceptions like Iceland (an unprecedented statistical freak, supported admittedly by good youth development) and Croatia (also a very unique case).

Do Scotland produce better players within their borders?  I don't think so.  

So to pull us out of being on par with all the other (weak) countries who have populations of 4 m or so, we need to be proactive in using our diaspora.

GD, just to give credit where it's due, we've had some very strong teams come through at U 17 and U19 for a while now, mostly made up of lads born in the 26 counties (Dan McConnell, I think, recently had an article on this very point in the Indo the other day).

So, we're not as far behind in relation to the population in ROI than sometimes people think.  We're actually producing really good players out of the population available (and always have done).  
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You really cannot argue with stupidity, can you? If you can't see how tenuous it is to judge a players ability on something that is completely external to the player himself, you are beyond help. I will ask you one question you may be able for though, in what world is 25 old for a goalkeeper? You're talking as if he's a journeyman in his 30's, but a 25 year old keeper is surely more equivalent to a 21/22 year old outfield player (similar to O'Dowda, for example).
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

You really cannot argue with stupidity, can you? If you can't see how tenuous it is to judge a players ability on something that is completely external to the player himself, you are beyond help. I will ask you one question you may be able for though, in what world is 25 old for a goalkeeper? You're talking as if he's a journeyman in his 30's, but a 25 year old keeper is surely more equivalent to a 21/22 year old outfield player (similar to O'Dowda, for example).

O'Shea, the club a player plays for at 25 is not "external to the player himself"!  If he's a good player, he'll, generally, be playing with a good club.  That's the inevitable consequence of a relatively free market of players. 

If that's not the case, subject to a small number of exceptions, please enlighten us - for the millionth time - as to who these international class players are that are still playing for miniscule clubs at 25? Who exactly are "O'Shea's Hidden Gems"?  These fabulous players playing for teeny clubs?

Otherwise, please stop wasting our time and taking up space on this thread with unfounded muppetry. 
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We really should have tried to call up Eamon Zayed when he was at Persepolis, shouldn't we? Sure he was playing in front of 80,000 a week. Or maybe Chris McCann should be the first name on our team sheet, he plays in front of 45,000 every week. In fact, lets just stop watching players altogether, and pick them purely based on extraneous factors. Perhaps the value of the car they drive should be included, surely there's a strong correlation with ability there too.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

We really should have tried to call up Eamon Zayed when he was at Persepolis, shouldn't we? Sure he was playing in front of 80,000 a week. Or maybe Chris McCann should be the first name on our team sheet, he plays in front of 45,000 every week. In fact, lets just stop watching players altogether, and pick them purely based on extraneous factors. Perhaps the value of the car they drive should be included, surely there's a strong correlation with ability there too.

You're still wasting our time?  Who are these fabulous players playing in front of 4,000 at 25 years old in a low-ranked league?  

There must be exceptional cases, which deviate from the norm. But you can't even name one.  
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Just name one O'Shea.  Please.  Just one. You can do it.  We know you can.  




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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Just name one O'Shea.  Please.  Just one. You can do it.  We know you can.  



O'Shea, your silence is deafening. 

I think we can all agree that you don't generally find international class players playing for tiny clubs with tiny stadiums at the age of 25.  So please stop the childish carping and trying to find fault in positive contributions people are trying to make on here. Now, let this get back on-thread. 
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Look Luis, justify your quackery to yourself however you want to. Just don't expect anyone else to take it seriously. 
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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Fair enough GD.  

It's just a very obvious point.

It is repetitive in what's happening in football simply because it actually comes up time and time again in what's happening in football.  Rice last week.  Ampadu and a whole host of Irish-eligible lads capped this week with zero effort by us.  

It's a repetitive news cycle which corresponds with our senior team's demise.  Until it's addressed, we can forget about success.

We defo benefitted in the past from the heritage rules, but, uniquely amongst other nations, are slow in using it now.  It's a (in my view, the) key reason why we're falling behind in results.  So I think it's fairly important if you're interested in the Irish senior team.

I disagree completely,

The reason we're falling so far behind is down to the lack of money being pumped into grassroots football be it for the players and the coaches.

We are in essence depending on other countries to develop players for us (not including Irish born players who are brought to England after being scouted) because we don't care enough about developing our own talent and we're just too lazy, we just hope that England or wherever keeps churning out dual nationals that will just come good and pick us.



There's a point in that.  Nobody disagrees in investing in our youth system within the 26 counties. 

However, out of a population of 4m you're only going to ever produce so many PL or top championship players.  That's always been the case and is reflected in all the best Irish teams, which have all been infused by dual-nationality lads, usually chased up very proactively by the likes of Jack and Mick. 

We probably produce more good players for our domestic population than most comparatively sized populations, with odd exceptions like Iceland (an unprecedented statistical freak, supported admittedly by good youth development) and Croatia (also a very unique case).

Do Scotland produce better players within their borders?  I don't think so.  

So to pull us out of being on par with all the other (weak) countries who have populations of 4 m or so, we need to be proactive in using our diaspora.

GD, just to give credit where it's due, we've had some very strong teams come through at U 17 and U19 for a while now, mostly made up of lads born in the 26 counties (Dan McConnell, I think, recently had an article on this very point in the Indo the other day).

So, we're not as far behind in relation to the population in ROI than sometimes people think.  We're actually producing really good players out of the population available (and always have done).  


We may be producing quality lads at underage levels but these days they will ultimately end up at League 1 and the less fashionable Scottish Premiership Clubs!
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