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Fitz
Liam Brady Joined: 12 Oct 2011 Location: Oileán Ciarraí Status: Offline Points: 2752 |
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He's from a catholic background, apparenty - for want of a better way of phrasing it - and has grandparents in Donegal |
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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And when he later switched to NI, he was no longer wanted by you. Whereas with the likes of McClean, not only was he wanted (then at least) by NI, but he had just been called up to the senior NI squad for a competitive fixture - AND ACCEPTED - when Sunderland came calling, this latter precipitating an approach by the FAI. Apple meet Bullsh*t. P.S. How did Bruce "come through your underage system"? He was born in Norwich and brought up in Manchester, where he attended the United Academy, before joining Blackburn's Youth team. Thereafter he gained a handful of ROI U-21 caps and a 'B' cap in 2006, before being tried out in a couple of senior friendlies the following year. "Came through" indeed... Edited by Territorial - 07 Nov 2017 at 5:51pm |
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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At no stage was any of the three Associations unfairly denied the services of a player they might otherwise have wanted. Therefore his example is nothing like the ones we are discussing i.e. Bruce is a Straw Man. |
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Jack Charlton The F The F The FAI Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Location: Abbottstown Status: Offline Points: 9155 |
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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On top of which, he's still entitled to switch to ROI if you wanted. Or he wanted. Edited by Territorial - 07 Nov 2017 at 6:03pm |
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9559 |
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It is irrelevant where Bruce or any other player was born, it's also irrelevant "who wanted them", it's only relevant who they were eligible for and what choice they themselves made. Bruce played at U-21 and "B" level for Ireland, so he has more of a claim to having been brought through the FAI system than many Irish-born guys who were never a part of our underage squads. (In truth, national associations play f*ck all part in a players development anyway, 99% of the work is done by their clubs; yet another reason why NI's moaning about "developing" the likes of McClean is horse sh*te). The claim that Bruce was "not wanted" by Ireland, whereas McClean was by NI, is not only redundant, but demonstrably incorrect. He had already played a number of games for us, and been included in competitive match day squads, which clearly illustrates he was deemed of at least reasonable usefulness. More than that, there is no way you can know that he would not have been chosen by the Ireland management again in the future; indeed when he was starting regularly for Hull in the EPL he probably would have received another call up. So no, there is absolutely no difference between the two situations, they are directly comparable. The only differences you perceive are as a result of your own persecution complex and latent bigotry against the Irish team. |
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djhegzy
Liam Brady Joined: 06 Oct 2014 Location: Co. Tyrone Status: Online Points: 1174 |
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as far as I know Duffy was born in Letterkenny actually, moved to derry when young, know his fathers from there too, so no, not the same as duffy
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deco911
Ray Houghton Reg Hunter Joined: 19 Jan 2012 Location: county kerry Status: Offline Points: 4341 |
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2 for Callum Wilson today any more of his citizenship?
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DeclanDaly
Ray Houghton Joined: 17 Oct 2013 Location: Boston, USA Status: Offline Points: 3254 |
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Not eligible. O’Neill was mistaken |
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You asked if I'd be anyone from history, fact or fiction, dead or alive:
I said "I'd be Tony Cascarino, circa 1995" |
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Conan
Davey Langan I’m not very bright. Joined: 11 Mar 2015 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 945 |
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No I'm from LetterK and Duffy is not one of us, he's a Derry boy, though his Dad was from Donegal.
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Danny Invincible
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 21 Jun 2011 Status: Offline Points: 307 |
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Why are you fixated on Bruce's place of birth? What's its relevance or significance, insofar as he was eligible to play for us regardless? And who in the FAI ever declared him "surplus to requirements" or "no longer wanted"? Trapattoni certainly didn't. Non-selection of a particular player at a certain point in time cannot be assumed to equate to even an implicit declaration of future and permanent disinterest in that player. Bruce may have been called upon by an Ireland manager again in the future, had he remained available for selection. We simply don't know, so you're not in a position to say he was "no longer wanted" by us. He was always an option - at least as back-up - so long as he remained available for selection and may well have proved useful had there been a defensive injury crisis or had his form or ability improved. It's impossible to quantify a player's potential future value or utility to an association. Keith Andrews, for example, received his first senior cap for Ireland at the age of 28 after having last played for our under-17s. He was a late bloomer. For the sake of argument, let's say he also happened to be eligible to play for a second association, would you have been able to say that he was "no longer wanted" by the FAI when he was aged, say, 27 simply because he hadn't been selected by the FAI for a decade? Evidently not, seeing as he went on to become an integral part of our midfield under Trap.
In an appearance on 'The Late Late Show' in March of 2012, Niall Quinn (who was chairman of Sunderland when they bought McClean) stated very clearly that the expressed will to play for Ireland came from McClean's side first and foremost and that Quinn had then contacted the FAI on the player's behalf to alert the FAI to McClean's ambition to play for Ireland. It doesn't matter if the IFA wanted McClean. McClean didn't want to continue playing with the IFA, as was his choice. He was as entitled as any other player to retire from playing for the IFA - after, all, the IFA didn't own him - and he was free to switch to the FAI if he wished. Once again, this was his legitimate entitlement as an Irish national and in accordance with FIFA's regulations. Nationality is the foundation of national teams; not location of birth.
What exactly do you mean by "unfairly denied"? If a player doesn't want to play for an association, that's not unfair; it's simply that player's choice. Deal with it and accept that player's agency and right to opt not to play. The logical conclusion of your position appears to be that you think players should be forced to line out for associations for whom they don't actually wish to play. And, oddly, it's only Irish nationals that you ever appear to harp on about. Do you pester England fans about how "unfair" it was that Dominic Ball switched from the IFA to the FA? If not, why not? Y'see, when the logical conclusion of your position is established, it exposes the bigoted and dictatorial imperiousness (with which nationalists in the north, of course, have long been familiar) that underpins it. You're an intolerant, unreconstructed dinosaur who clearly still hasn't come to terms with the validity of the Irish nationality (and the rights that that carries with it) of Irish nationals born in the north. For what it's worth, are you aware that Michael O'Neill attempted to persuade Sean Scannell (a player has played for us from under-17 level up to 'B' level) to switch to the IFA a mere four months after he'd last represented our under-21s? Also, the IFA selected Oliver Norwood (who played for England at under-age level) despite the FA still wanting him. And what about Worthington chasing after Connor Wickham whilst the player was an England under-17 international? Wickham has gone on to represent England at under-19 level and under-21 (on 4 and 17 occasions, respectively). The IFA also tried to encourage Paddy McEleney to switch from the FAI to the IFA despite Noel King still having plans for the player. McEleney didn't eventually go through with the switch, but please let's not pretend that the IFA have been"above" chasing after players who've still been in the immediate demand of their original association or that the IFA are "above" selecting players for whom other associations may otherwise have plans were those players to decide to remain where they were originally. The IFA behave just like any other association - in furtherance of their own interests - as they're entitled to do. This pretence of moral superiority is just so utterly tiresome. We've been pointing out your hypocrisy for years now. Edited by Danny Invincible - 20 Nov 2017 at 1:44am |
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DeclanDaly
Ray Houghton Joined: 17 Oct 2013 Location: Boston, USA Status: Offline Points: 3254 |
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Former youth international Reise Allassani set to sign Dulwich Hamlet deal but could get snapped up by Championship clubs. Only 21.
https://www.londonnewsonline.co.uk/reise-allassani-set-to-sign-dulwich-hamlet-deal-but-heavy-championship-interest-in-attacker/ |
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You asked if I'd be anyone from history, fact or fiction, dead or alive:
I said "I'd be Tony Cascarino, circa 1995" |
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DeclanDaly
Ray Houghton Joined: 17 Oct 2013 Location: Boston, USA Status: Offline Points: 3254 |
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Shayne Lavery is on the bench for Everton in Europe today. NI U21 international. Harry Charsley starts at left back.
Quite a day for young prospects in green and blue: Also on the bench is a young CB named Michael Collins! A new one on me, but he’s eligible according to his Everton profile: http://www.evertonfc.com/players/m/mc/michael-collins Also eligible is winger Stephen Duke-McKenna: http://www.evertonfc.com/players/s/sm/stephen-duke-mckenna GK Mateus Hewelt is also on the bench. He’s eligible, Dublin raised, and possibly declared for us last year. Edited by DeclanDaly - 07 Dec 2017 at 5:31pm |
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You asked if I'd be anyone from history, fact or fiction, dead or alive:
I said "I'd be Tony Cascarino, circa 1995" |
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grannyrule
Ray Houghton Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Location: Parts Unknown Status: Offline Points: 4680 |
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Stephen Duke-McKenna on the Everton bench is also eligible. According to the Everton website he is a skillful left winger who was born in Liverpool but is eligible to play for Guyana, Holland and Republic of Ireland, as well as England. edit : I see you edited your post Declan
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9559 |
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There's a huge amount of players in Everton's youth ranks who are either Irish or eligible for us, Charsley, Kinsella, Hewelt, Dowell, Duke-McKenna, Collins off the top of my head.
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9559 |
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Niall Maher, 18 year old Morecambe goalkeeper.
Eoin McKeown, 19 year old Colchester striker. |
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