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That's why i'm saying have two regional league's to keep travel down.  I know in the Scottish lower League's they get £150/200 per week.  I'm not saying the quality has to be great, Irish football is what it is but there has to be a start surely?   If you could get a few county teams (like Sligo) going surely there would be hoep that they'd develop and grow over 15/20 years?   What are the other options?  You cannot go on with an 8 team 1st Division. 
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The options are :
 
One divison of 14 teams - a shortened league season of 26 games to reduce travelling/wages costs, the current season is too long and to many games against the same opponents
 
To keep interest throughout the season, the final european spot and the second relegation spot to be decided on a play-off basis depending on final league standings
 
2 regional leagues with winners promoted to league (if the opt in and have acceptable facilities and are finacially sound)
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by savo01 savo01 wrote:

 
If a Kerry, Mayo, Carlow, Tipperary County side were formed would there be anything worng with them being part time clubs getting a couple of hundred at games?  It could only help grow and sustain football in ireland and give us a decent spread of clubs with a proper structure in place. 
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Originally posted by savo01 savo01 wrote:

Chippy,
That's why i'm saying have two regional league's to keep travel down.  I know in the Scottish lower League's they get £150/200 per week.  I'm not saying the quality has to be great, Irish football is what it is but there has to be a start surely?   If you could get a few county teams (like Sligo) going surely there would be hoep that they'd develop and grow over 15/20 years?   What are the other options?  You cannot go on with an 8 team 1st Division. 
I don't think anyone especailly disagrees with you, but you can't get away from the point that these provincial towns had the A Championship in effect set up for them to grow into LoI sides and only Dublin City, Wexford, Salthill and Mervue took the plunge. The clubs that were expected to step up, Carlow, Tralee, Mayo and Mullingar decided not to. What else can the FAI do?
 
The one thing they can do is enforce a pyramid so that the top LSL, MSL etc sides get promoted up whether they want to or not and allows the Kilkenny's, Kildares and Monaghans to find their level without withdrawing from the LoI and starting at the bottom of the league structure below them. The FAI want to do this, but the politically strong junior clubs don't have the ambition.
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Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

The options are :
 
One divison of 14 teams - a shortened league season of 26 games to reduce travelling/wages costs, the current season is too long and to many games against the same opponents
 
To keep interest throughout the season, the final european spot and the second relegation spot to be decided on a play-off basis depending on final league standings
 
2 regional leagues with winners promoted to league (if the opt in and have acceptable facilities and are finacially sound)
 
 But the same problem emerges. That will require a minimum of 20 1st division sides. Who? The FAI struggled to get 8. Where do the other 12 sides come from?
 
 


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roverstillidie,
I think any new club would have to be formed/encouraged by the FAI.  I know chippy has said about UEFA rules but look at Australia for example.  They had stop, start leagues with clubs forming and disbanding for years.  The govt. backed the newly formed FFA and they've created a decent competition in the A League.  They haven't got it all right as some new clubs did disband but they are growing their game.  I know they have a 20m population but I lived there and football is still a marginal game when you consider Aussie Rules, Cricket, Rugby League and Union, Swimming and beach sports football is well down the pecking order.  For talk sake if a Kerry County side was created by the KDL with an agreement from the FAI they would help them start up and back them for a 5-10 yesr period their may be interest? 
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So you want the government to back the regional leagues to put select sides in a club league?
 
Australia isn't in Europe.
 
You have been told more than once. The FAI CANNOT set up new teams and run them. Move the thought process on.


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Long and short of it, if the FAI step in two sets of clubs are at war with them.
 
1: No European football means the Sligo's, Pats, Drogs, Rovers of the world lose out financially and football wise.
 
2: The existing regional clubs who did it themselves are at an immediate disadvantage as their neighbours and league rivals have a subsidy.
 
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Two sh*te leagues on the same island, is a merge the way forward?
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I think it is the way forward, but the idea some people have that it is the panacea to all ills is wrong. The hype around the Rovers v Linfield game was a good indicator, but we walloped them on the pitch. Over time most IL sides would get relegated.
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While I liked the central infuence used in America and Austraila to get the MLS and A-League up and running it was probably much easier for them to get the public to buy into the idea when they were starting from scratch compared to here where there is already a strong league tradition.
 
Also they already had good exisiting facilitys and stadiums from other sports for the games to be played.
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They were knee deep up setting up SD Galway and now making all kinds of noises to ensure sd2 or FAI united is the next coming in Galway.  
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The first division is a depressing place alright, a graveyard of football but I can't imagine a single division, without promotion or relegation to be any better. Franchise or FAI backed clubs certainly aren't the way forward either as pointed out, just look at SD Galway last season as an example or of course Sporting Fingal.

Wouldn't agree at all that the league is as geographically spread as it can be. There are huge areas of the Country with a lot of potential but filling that potential without tradition is always a problem. The FAI had their chance to address this in some way at the start of last season when they invited teams to enter the first division but in true FAI fashion decided to come out and announce that there would only be 8 teams in the division a week before the deadline they had given clubs to make a proposal to enter. Ridiculous stuff.
 
If football is every to be successful in this country an All Ireland league will eventually be the only way to go. However, wouldn't this mean a joining of the two national teams? If that's the case it will never happen.
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It seems ridiculous that other federations allow their FA's to get involved in the forming of clubs/League's yet UEFA don't.  How's that fair?  You would have hoped that some businessmen would have gotten involved like Mick Wallace.  Love or loathe him he's helping the game grow.  You look at a guy like Darragh MacAnthony and have to scratch your head.  He's ploughed millions into a small regional club he has no connection or attachment to that will only ever struggle to stay in the Championship.  If he'd put half as much in grassroots sports in Ireland or taken over a LOI club think what it could have done for irish sport!  Each to his own though! 
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If Sporting Fingal had actually been located in Fingal could/would thay have succeeded.  It seemed a good idea and I know the council were involved.  Was it too much too quickly.  It's a real shocker that they won the Cup and went bust a year later. 
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Originally posted by savo01 savo01 wrote:

It seems ridiculous that other federations allow their FA's to get involved in the forming of clubs/League's yet UEFA don't.  How's that fair?   
 
The Yanks and Aussies are a different story, they have no football tradition like we do.
 
Are you suggestign the FAI give every LoI club a stipend? With what?
 
Or select some clubs or not others? That a second club in, say, Cork gets funding and CCFC don't? That isn't going to work.
 
Whatever about starting a professional league from scratch where all sides get the same, you are suggesting that the FAI play favourites with existing clubs.
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Fingal is a relatively new area within the greater metropolitan area and is populated by people moving into newish estates. And those people would already have an affiliation to clubs prior to moving there. A Bohs fan who moves to Swords say is not going to stop supporting Bohs and support a new club, the only way this would have worked is for an already well established club to move to the area akin to Rovers move to Tallaght......to start from scratch takes bundles and bundles of money, a new stadium, a large young population base and a period of immediate sustained success. Even then its not guaranteed to last after the initial honeymoon period wears off. Rovers crowds have levelled out somewhat recently and only about 2-3% of Tallaghts large population attend games. And Rovers are considered a success story, so what chance does a smaller club in a provinical town have with the omnipresence of the GAA.
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Originally posted by Peake Peake wrote:

Two sh*te leagues on the same island, is a merge the way forward?
 
Yeah better off having one really sh*te league
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