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zizu Kilbane 
Jack Charlton 
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 Topic: reforming defunct clubs/LOI 1st DivisionPosted: 24 Jun 2013 at 10:45pm |
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Just been watching the Rod squad there...any idea on what monaghans long term plan? Any ambitions to try and get back into the league system?
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Posted: 18 Jun 2013 at 11:14pm |
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Are supporters asking the clubs who is running the league, are they performing, who is measuring them are they worth it?. Tlgueis
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EastStandMan
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Posted: 18 Jun 2013 at 1:01pm |
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We had 15-20 k at the Cup Final V the bitters . The support is there even tho most will look east for football . Improve the package ,ie, the topic in another thread re ground conditions . Hearts and minds can be changed over time . We have to be the builders - we have to demand better standards . Its not that long ago when LOI had big enough crowds to be in a healthy state . We can bring those days back , I am certain of that . And hopeful .
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Posted: 18 Jun 2013 at 12:49pm |
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Bring back Fordsons and Transport.........
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Posted: 18 Jun 2013 at 12:26pm |
agreed , especially having done so well in europe as well. i think there is a critical mass for the LOI , it hasnt been reached yet for most clubs but it cant be breached, rovers reached it during their good run under MON.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2013 at 12:14pm |
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I'm not saying or expecting clubs to get 10,000 but if a few clubs could form or eneter Division 1 who had links to local/county league's would it not help develop football and be good for the game in Ireland?
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if the country's historically most successful club move to the countries largest new town and get a council to build them a free ground and they still cant average 4000 at a game, well let's kill the notion that the league will ever be bigger than it is.
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Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 5:09pm |
Would have thought Morton stadium was within Fingal no?
Think saying it was too much too quickly is spot on. They had the right idea in trying to set up links with the local community etc but their quick progression through the leagues starting with skipping the A championship meant they were throwing money at the club in order for immediate success pretty quickly which snowballed on them in the end.
Can't say its much of a shocker seeing a club win some sort of silverware and then get into financial difficulty. A good proportion of the clubs in the league have nearly crippled themselves in the past in search of trophies which bring little financial rewards in comparison to what's spent.
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Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 4:20pm |
Yeah better off having one really sh*te league
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"The Football Grounds of Europe" about Dalymount that :- "You walk down lanes you'd expect to find a backstreet mechanic only to stumble onto a national stadium steeped in tradition and history"
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Fingal is a relatively new area within the greater metropolitan area and is populated by people moving into newish estates. And those people would already have an affiliation to clubs prior to moving there. A Bohs fan who moves to Swords say is not going to stop supporting Bohs and support a new club, the only way this would have worked is for an already well established club to move to the area akin to Rovers move to Tallaght......to start from scratch takes bundles and bundles of money, a new stadium, a large young population base and a period of immediate sustained success. Even then its not guaranteed to last after the initial honeymoon period wears off. Rovers crowds have levelled out somewhat recently and only about 2-3% of Tallaghts large population attend games. And Rovers are considered a success story, so what chance does a smaller club in a provinical town have with the omnipresence of the GAA.
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Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 3:03pm |
The Yanks and Aussies are a different story, they have no football tradition like we do.
Are you suggestign the FAI give every LoI club a stipend? With what?
Or select some clubs or not others? That a second club in, say, Cork gets funding and CCFC don't? That isn't going to work.
Whatever about starting a professional league from scratch where all sides get the same, you are suggesting that the FAI play favourites with existing clubs.
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Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 1:31pm |
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If Sporting Fingal had actually been located in Fingal could/would thay have succeeded. It seemed a good idea and I know the council were involved. Was it too much too quickly. It's a real shocker that they won the Cup and went bust a year later.
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Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 11:59am |
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It seems ridiculous that other federations allow their FA's to get involved in the forming of clubs/League's yet UEFA don't. How's that fair? You would have hoped that some businessmen would have gotten involved like Mick Wallace. Love or loathe him he's helping the game grow. You look at a guy like Darragh MacAnthony and have to scratch your head. He's ploughed millions into a small regional club he has no connection or attachment to that will only ever struggle to stay in the Championship. If he'd put half as much in grassroots sports in Ireland or taken over a LOI club think what it could have done for irish sport! Each to his own though!
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Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 10:27am |
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The first division is a depressing place alright, a graveyard of football but I can't imagine a single division, without promotion or relegation to be any better. Franchise or FAI backed clubs certainly aren't the way forward either as pointed out, just look at SD Galway last season as an example or of course Sporting Fingal. Wouldn't agree at all that the league is as geographically spread as it can be. There are huge areas of the Country with a lot of potential but filling that potential without tradition is always a problem. The FAI had their chance to address this in some way at the start of last season when they invited teams to enter the first division but in true FAI fashion decided to come out and announce that there would only be 8 teams in the division a week before the deadline they had given clubs to make a proposal to enter. Ridiculous stuff.
If football is every to be successful in this country an All Ireland league will eventually be the only way to go. However, wouldn't this mean a joining of the two national teams? If that's the case it will never happen.
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geezer
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Posted: 12 Jun 2013 at 7:16pm |
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They were knee deep up setting up SD Galway and now making all kinds of noises to ensure sd2 or FAI united is the next coming in Galway.
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Posted: 12 Jun 2013 at 4:25pm |
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While I liked the central infuence used in America and Austraila to get the MLS and A-League up and running it was probably much easier for them to get the public to buy into the idea when they were starting from scratch compared to here where there is already a strong league tradition.
Also they already had good exisiting facilitys and stadiums from other sports for the games to be played.
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Posted: 12 Jun 2013 at 2:59pm |
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I think it is the way forward, but the idea some people have that it is the panacea to all ills is wrong. The hype around the Rovers v Linfield game was a good indicator, but we walloped them on the pitch. Over time most IL sides would get relegated.
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Posted: 12 Jun 2013 at 1:53pm |
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Two sh*te leagues on the same island, is a merge the way forward?
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