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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

How? It's the truth. Unless Irish football is doing well in Europe - then we can forget about it. 

Take off the blinkers.


I reluctantly agree with Kearney on this, LOI has been very poorly managed from the top and in many ways resembles amateur football.

Yes, there are some good players but they are also on the pitch with some, not so good players.

The good players there need to be pushed to the limits of their ability and sadly that means the english league (or other but generally england)
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Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

I don't care what anyone says > a player starring in the LOI should never start for us, if we want to be taken seriously that is. 

He is a talented boy but what level can he play at? It doesn't matter if the home sickness is now gone, he needs to be playing in England. 

Until as such time as Irish sides are mixing it up in the Europa League group stages (at least) we can forget it. 

On one hand we sl*g off lads who are league 1 and then lament JB. 

Truth is league one team would beat Rovers.

Literally everything that is wrong with irish football in those 2 sentences. He needs to be playing in England. 
The biggest thing wrong with Irish football has been a refusal to take a realistic appraisal of where it is at. The LOI is very much part of that.

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The goal he set up against bulgaria shows what type of vision he has. But that was just a friendly so that doesn't matter either right. Brainwashed half of ye are.
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Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

The goal he set up against bulgaria shows what type of vision he has. But that was just a friendly so that doesn't matter either right. Brainwashed half of ye are.
And you are equally brainwashed the other way, which is the problem. 

International friendly matches are beyond pointless, you are correct there.
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Its best to avoid any discussion with the West Cork Warrior when the discussion concerns anything or anybody remotely connected to Dublin. And heaven forbid you make a spelling or grammar error...
Isn’t Carey from Dublin?
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Its best to avoid any discussion with the West Cork Warrior when the discussion concerns anything or anybody remotely connected to Dublin. And heaven forbid you make a spelling or grammar error...

PM is making fair points on Jack Byrne given the relatively low level he is playing at which is arguably even lower than League Two. 

I think of most our senior players need to be playing in at least championship level (and whatever equivalent in other countries) or higher bar one or two exceptions for e.g. young Irish player being on loan at a League One side maybe.  
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PreMadonna Byrne had a very good season in Holland when he was 19 played very well against likes of Ajax and scored some great goals, he had a good season in League 1 with Oldham and scored a lot of goals from midfield, hes played well in Europe aswel, the boy has talent and will play at a higher level, Norwich were close to signing him at the start of the season but sure he only plays LOI hes not good enough. 

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PreMadonna Byrne had a very good season in Holland when he was 19 played very well against likes of Ajax and scored some great goals, he had a good season in League 1 with Oldham and scored a lot of goals from midfield, hes played well in Europe aswel, the boy has talent and will play at a higher level, Norwich were close to signing him at the start of the season but sure he only plays LOI hes not good enough. 


He's on his 8th club, after falling out of favour or having run ins with managers or whatever the excuse it.

He's a talented player but fails on many occasions to influence games in a league who are mostly part time.

I don't think he's the best player at Rovers.

For me he doesn't do enough. If he wants to copper fasten his place in the Ireland squad he should be playing at a higher level.



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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

How? It's the truth. Unless Irish football is doing well in Europe - then we can forget about it. 

Take off the blinkers.


I reluctantly agree with Kearney on this, LOI has been very poorly managed from the top and in many ways resembles amateur football.

Yes, there are some good players but they are also on the pitch with some, not so good players.

The good players there need to be pushed to the limits of their ability and sadly that means the english league (or other but generally england)

Don't know why it's reluctant. It's not like I don't want to players to do well. But I'm realistic as well. 

It's not about how good he is or isn't, it's the standard of the league. 

For example, if a talented lad is playing in MLS - one of which is true and moved to Atlanta, would we be on here saying he has to start, be on the plane etc. 

We wouldn't - LOI falls in to that category, we look at PL / championship players as the league is competitive. That's it simply put. 
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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

I don't care what anyone says > a player starring in the LOI should never start for us, if we want to be taken seriously that is. 

He needs to be playing in England.  

The sheer amount of ex-LOI players in and around the national team squad shows that it's a better standard than League 2 or even 1. But whether he's playing at home, abroad, or on the moon, he has no chance of playing in Slovakia. It will be a rearguard action for however long the game is, and that's not him. Aside from that, he isn't "experienced enough" to play for Ireland until McCarthy is gone, which may be just 6 weeks away. Useless dinosaur couldn't even be arsd to stay and watch one of his players score the winner at the weekend, a great goal at any level. I know many of our fans would happily flee the stadium asap when the gates open, during one of McCarthy's games. I wonder how he would like it if they did. 
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by JoxerDaly JoxerDaly wrote:

PreMadonna Byrne had a very good season in Holland when he was 19 played very well against likes of Ajax and scored some great goals, he had a good season in League 1 with Oldham and scored a lot of goals from midfield, hes played well in Europe aswel, the boy has talent and will play at a higher level, Norwich were close to signing him at the start of the season but sure he only plays LOI hes not good enough. 


He's on his 8th club, after falling out of favour or having run ins with managers or whatever the excuse it.

He's a talented player but fails on many occasions to influence games in a league who are mostly part time.

I don't think he's the best player at Rovers.

For me he doesn't do enough. If he wants to copper fasten his place in the Ireland squad he should be playing at a higher level.



What do you perceive to be a higher level ? St. Mirren, Lincoln City  ???
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FAO kearney30

I was talking to a Rovers fan who was out with Byrne and the sqaud after the cup final and they were saying that Byrne was hard on the gargle
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Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by JoxerDaly JoxerDaly wrote:

PreMadonna Byrne had a very good season in Holland when he was 19 played very well against likes of Ajax and scored some great goals, he had a good season in League 1 with Oldham and scored a lot of goals from midfield, hes played well in Europe aswel, the boy has talent and will play at a higher level, Norwich were close to signing him at the start of the season but sure he only plays LOI hes not good enough. 


He's on his 8th club, after falling out of favour or having run ins with managers or whatever the excuse it.

He's a talented player but fails on many occasions to influence games in a league who are mostly part time.

I don't think he's the best player at Rovers.

For me he doesn't do enough. If he wants to copper fasten his place in the Ireland squad he should be playing at a higher level.




What do you perceive to be a higher level ? St. Mirren, Lincoln City  ???


I'd consider L1 and the Scottish league to be a higher level. Both are full time professional leagues with better facilities etc..



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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by JoxerDaly JoxerDaly wrote:

PreMadonna Byrne had a very good season in Holland when he was 19 played very well against likes of Ajax and scored some great goals, he had a good season in League 1 with Oldham and scored a lot of goals from midfield, hes played well in Europe aswel, the boy has talent and will play at a higher level, Norwich were close to signing him at the start of the season but sure he only plays LOI hes not good enough. 


He's on his 8th club, after falling out of favour or having run ins with managers or whatever the excuse it.

He's a talented player but fails on many occasions to influence games in a league who are mostly part time.

I don't think he's the best player at Rovers.

For me he doesn't do enough. If he wants to copper fasten his place in the Ireland squad he should be playing at a higher level.



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Originally posted by JoxerDaly JoxerDaly wrote:

PreMadonna Byrne had a very good season in Holland when he was 19 played very well against likes of Ajax and scored some great goals, he had a good season in League 1 with Oldham and scored a lot of goals from midfield, hes played well in Europe aswel, the boy has talent and will play at a higher level, Norwich were close to signing him at the start of the season but sure he only plays LOI hes not good enough. 
He had a few good games in the Eredivisie, there was very little consistency it seems, like much of his career. Also, like other mid-tier European leagues, there is a big drop off in quality. I wouldn’t say there is much between the bottom of the Dutch and Scottish leagues. I doubt anybody would have been getting too excited if he had had a few good games for Hamilton Academicals.

I don’t think anybody is saying that he doesn’t have talent, it is more about how much and can he apply it.  He has the talent to play higher than LOI, but hasn’t done much to show it. From what I have seen, albeit not regularly enough for different reasons, Carruthers has as much, if not more, talent than Byrne and is playing in a gruelling league that’s fully professional. Carey is another who has done it consistently in these leagues, although I am unaware of his time in Bulgaria. It seems to be that LOI fans want players to be good enough rather than giving a fair appraisal.

We all want him to be good enough, but expressing some realism or doubt isn’t having a dig at the league for no reason or because he is a Dub. Try and look at it without the tribalism.


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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

I don't care what anyone says > a player starring in the LOI should never start for us, if we want to be taken seriously that is. 

He needs to be playing in England.  

The sheer amount of ex-LOI players in and around the national team squad shows that it's a better standard than League 2 or even 1. But whether he's playing at home, abroad, or on the moon, he has no chance of playing in Slovakia. It will be a rearguard action for however long the game is, and that's not him. Aside from that, he isn't "experienced enough" to play for Ireland until McCarthy is gone, which may be just 6 weeks away. Useless dinosaur couldn't even be arsd to stay and watch one of his players score the winner at the weekend, a great goal at any level. I know many of our fans would happily flee the stadium asap when the gates open, during one of McCarthy's games. I wonder how he would like it if they did. 

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Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by JoxerDaly JoxerDaly wrote:

PreMadonna Byrne had a very good season in Holland when he was 19 played very well against likes of Ajax and scored some great goals, he had a good season in League 1 with Oldham and scored a lot of goals from midfield, hes played well in Europe aswel, the boy has talent and will play at a higher level, Norwich were close to signing him at the start of the season but sure he only plays LOI hes not good enough. 


He's on his 8th club, after falling out of favour or having run ins with managers or whatever the excuse it.

He's a talented player but fails on many occasions to influence games in a league who are mostly part time.

I don't think he's the best player at Rovers.

For me he doesn't do enough. If he wants to copper fasten his place in the Ireland squad he should be playing at a higher level.



What do you perceive to be a higher level ? St. Mirren, Lincoln City  ???
Yes, as HB said.
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