Healy-Rae/kerry gombeens at it again

The only one who has had th "big city " attitude is roverstillIdie. 

sham157 wrote: Just heard this Healy-Rae lad on the wireless, honestly could barely make out a word that he said.

Don't worry, even if you could make him out, it still wouldn't make sense.

Baldrick wrote: As Vincent Browne says everybody pays tax, its just not everybody pays income tax.  But the minute you buy a pint of milk you pay tax.

Exactly. Not often I agree with him, but he's bang on the money here. It's the implication that your say in the running of the country is proportional to the amount of tax you pay (implicit in the phrase tax payers' money or my tax dollars etc etc) that really really really irritates me.

And let's not get away from the key point here, that Healy-Rae is a bollix who, despite being a national politician for years, doesn't care how the country is run so long as his bypass gets built and his pothole gets filled. We need a national parliament for national issues and really need less TDs and stronger local government to ensure this happens. Too many gombeens like JHR are a part of the reason this country is in the state it's in.


Edited by SuperDave84 - 22 Jan 2013 at 1:12pm

roverstillidie wrote: SuperDave84 wrote: Or the lads producing on an industrial scale, with cows pumped full of antibiotics and fed pure sh*te will survive, and the Kerryman with 50 head of cattle rearing them outdoors on grass with silage in winter producing great quality milk will fail. The chancers are the lads producing cheap milk, not good quality milk. Think of farming subsidies as being public health subsidies and you're on the right track. Plus, the money for it is European, so the Germans are paying for our milk, whereas without the subsidies, we'd be paying for German milk. Hardly ideal, is it? But how did a thread about drink driving turn into a welfare bashing thread?   Look, I simply don't care whp prodoces my milk. In the same way I don't care who produces my beer or shoes. I will chose Irish when I can, but not at the expense of quality.   The idea that tens of billions a year goes into farming to stop them killing us is interesting. If the Dept of Ag was doing its job, the crap would not make supermarket shelves.   I would prefer to keep my tax money, or spend it on things that are needed like schools and hospitals, and risk the German milk myself.

Interesting, your problem seems to be with democracy. The elected representatives of the people have determined how taxes should be raised and how it should be redistributed (that is, with some going to Kerry farmers). If you have a problem with that (democracy, that is), maybe Germany is the place for you.

And it's not "your" tax money, it stops being yours once it's paid to the exchequer. The idea that you have any greater say over how public money is spent once the exchequer have it than any other citizen or voter simply because you paid it is ridiculous and dangerously anti-democratic. If every tax payer had a say over how their money was spent, nobody would ever pay any tax ever. Or, should I be entitled to three votes because I pay three times as much tax as you? Or, no vote, because I pay no tax? Stop the phrase "taxpayers' money", it's total bollocks. The money is not the taxpayers', it's the people's.


Edited by SuperDave84 - 22 Jan 2013 at 1:03pm

greengiant wrote: nvidic wrote: only in Ireland would the designated driver scheme be completely looked over. Get four ole lads, one drives every week/other week, give them a free shandy and a coke or whatever, used to work well up in Dublin Ye but who organises this the pub,the aul lads themselves?,they probly wouldnt have mobiles!,how many people know what aul country farmers are like?!,i just cant see it working!! ,our local just collects them

here they just stuck posters up, DD show your keys and get three free soft drinks, actually had a huge uptake on it, minimal cost to the bar, actually think coca-cola paid for the drinks

SuperDave84 wrote: Or the lads producing on an industrial scale, with cows pumped full of antibiotics and fed pure sh*te will survive, and the Kerryman with 50 head of cattle rearing them outdoors on grass with silage in winter producing great quality milk will fail. The chancers are the lads producing cheap milk, not good quality milk. Think of farming subsidies as being public health subsidies and you're on the right track. Plus, the money for it is European, so the Germans are paying for our milk, whereas without the subsidies, we'd be paying for German milk. Hardly ideal, is it? But how did a thread about drink driving turn into a welfare bashing thread?

Edited by roverstillidie - 22 Jan 2013 at 12:57pm

roverstillidie wrote: greengiant wrote: The farmers i agree with to an extent,but there existence is vital to the country. I dont like it either but they need to be protected. If the politicians get the people of Kerry sports facilities and roads then fair play to them,its needed in most rural areas. The welfare culture are u having a laugh!!,that is without doubt 100% an urban problem!,its people like u that create a them and us mentality no matter what the topic. Whether its urban v rural,epl v loi!,u just need someone to look down on and point the finger. Welfare culture that really made me laugh!!,where did that even come from!,we are discussing aul lads who have worked harder than most of us during their lifetime and how they can get out and socialise!   1: Why are farmers essential and need to be protected? The industry has changed. It is all about organic food now. Adapt or die. We will still get our milk from Germany. The good farmers will survive, the chancers who are being propped up won't.     2: If you get paid by the state and use that money to live you are on welfare. That includes farmers who are paid not to farm. How did we end up in this situation.   3: I don't care how hard they have worked. They don't have a human right to drink drive and politicians should not be saying they will commit suicide if they don't get the right. If they chose to live in the back of beyond they chose life without public transport. Get a taxi, pay a friend. But the idea of taking reponsibility is anathema to them - whinge and blame Dublin.

Or the lads producing on an industrial scale, with cows pumped full of antibiotics and fed pure sh*te will survive, and the Kerryman with 50 head of cattle rearing them outdoors on grass with silage in winter producing great quality milk will fail.

The chancers are the lads producing cheap milk, not good quality milk. Think of farming subsidies as being public health subsidies and you're on the right track. Plus, the money for it is European, so the Germans are paying for our milk, whereas without the subsidies, we'd be paying for German milk. Hardly ideal, is it?

But how did a thread about drink driving turn into a welfare bashing thread?

kimbap wrote: Look everyone knows the Healy Rae's are the very definition of gombeenism.I don't know if they're even serious half the time. You with you massive chip about "culchies and the vote don't work" (change the word culchie for something else and imagine yourself in South Africa) to realise how stupid you sound. You're the urban version of the Healy Rae's,just more bitter and less funny.

nvidic wrote: only in Ireland would the designated driver scheme be completely looked over. Get four ole lads, one drives every week/other week, give them a free shandy and a coke or whatever, used to work well up in Dublin

Ye but who organises this the pub,the aul lads themselves?,they probly wouldnt have mobiles!,how many people know what aul country farmers are like?!,i just cant see it working!! ,our local just collects them