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Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Who would be a manager today though. Yes you get piles of money but with the stress and the short time you get its getting to be impossible almost. Your never going to get legendary status like coaches of the past again. Win the Champions League now its like so what your sacked anyway. On yer bike son. Possibly Pep is the only manager at the minute who has the ultimate job. Other than that anyone is sackable. 
But Pep has never won the CL with City.

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Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Who would be a manager today though. Yes you get piles of money but with the stress and the short time you get its getting to be impossible almost. Your never going to get legendary status like coaches of the past again. Win the Champions League now its like so what your sacked anyway. On yer bike son. Possibly Pep is the only manager at the minute who has the ultimate job. Other than that anyone is sackable. 
But Pep has never won the CL with City.
but he has won 4 out of the last 5 premier leagues.
The above post mentioned the CL, can you not read ?
I can yeah but there’s context.. when you dominate domestically you get some leeway when it comes to the hardest competition of them all.

Here's some more context:
If your domestic league is a two-horse race (eg Spain), or even a one-horse race (eg Germany), then with the title won by February, you can concentrate all your resources on Europe when the CL really gets going.

Which partly explains why PG was able to win the CL twice when he was managing in Spain, but hasnt done so since managing in England.

So far.
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Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Who would be a manager today though. Yes you get piles of money but with the stress and the short time you get its getting to be impossible almost. Your never going to get legendary status like coaches of the past again. Win the Champions League now its like so what your sacked anyway. On yer bike son. Possibly Pep is the only manager at the minute who has the ultimate job. Other than that anyone is sackable. 
But Pep has never won the CL with City.
but he has won 4 out of the last 5 premier leagues.
The above post mentioned the CL, can you not read ?
I can yeah but there’s context.. when you dominate domestically you get some leeway when it comes to the hardest competition of them all.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gary McKay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2022 at 11:32pm
Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Who would be a manager today though. Yes you get piles of money but with the stress and the short time you get its getting to be impossible almost. Your never going to get legendary status like coaches of the past again. Win the Champions League now its like so what your sacked anyway. On yer bike son. Possibly Pep is the only manager at the minute who has the ultimate job. Other than that anyone is sackable. 
But Pep has never won the CL with City.
but he has won 4 out of the last 5 premier leagues.
The above post mentioned the CL, can you not read ?
"Smalling and Jones.... have the potential to be the PL’s best ever pairing in my opinion." - SlurAlex
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Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Who would be a manager today though. Yes you get piles of money but with the stress and the short time you get its getting to be impossible almost. Your never going to get legendary status like coaches of the past again. Win the Champions League now its like so what your sacked anyway. On yer bike son. Possibly Pep is the only manager at the minute who has the ultimate job. Other than that anyone is sackable. 
But Pep has never won the CL with City.
but he has won 4 out of the last 5 premier leagues.
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Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Who would be a manager today though. Yes you get piles of money but with the stress and the short time you get its getting to be impossible almost. Your never going to get legendary status like coaches of the past again. Win the Champions League now its like so what your sacked anyway. On yer bike son. Possibly Pep is the only manager at the minute who has the ultimate job. Other than that anyone is sackable. 
But Pep has never won the CL with City.
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Who would be a manager today though. Yes you get piles of money but with the stress and the short time you get its getting to be impossible almost. Your never going to get legendary status like coaches of the past again. Win the Champions League now its like so what your sacked anyway. On yer bike son. Possibly Pep is the only manager at the minute who has the ultimate job. Other than that anyone is sackable. 

I'd say Klopp is pretty much unsackable - if nothing else, Pool's fans are 100% behind him.

While I'd be very surprised if Brentford sacked Thomas Frank, even if they got relegated.

But you're right, aside from those three, it's a ridiculously precarious job, even more so as you go down the divisions, with the Championship being an absolute nightmare - average tenure now something like 9 months?.

If Liverpool can sack Kenny Dalglish; than anyone can be sacked


Which they were completely right to do at the time. 
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Who would be a manager today though. Yes you get piles of money but with the stress and the short time you get its getting to be impossible almost. Your never going to get legendary status like coaches of the past again. Win the Champions League now its like so what your sacked anyway. On yer bike son. Possibly Pep is the only manager at the minute who has the ultimate job. Other than that anyone is sackable. 

I'd say Klopp is pretty much unsackable - if nothing else, Pool's fans are 100% behind him.

While I'd be very surprised if Brentford sacked Thomas Frank, even if they got relegated.

But you're right, aside from those three, it's a ridiculously precarious job, even more so as you go down the divisions, with the Championship being an absolute nightmare - average tenure now something like 9 months?.

If Liverpool can sack Kenny Dalglish; than anyone can be sacked

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Funny thing is, I read somewhere that in US sport, it would be considered unthinkable to sack a coach so soon after he had won the Superbowl or World Series etc i.e. you get a couple of years grace to get it right again.
Very different circumstances, dynamics etc. in US Sport. 

Oh I agree, but you'd imagine Boehly might still have been inclined to give him until, say, the January window, or at least the World Cup break?

I would say you might be right if Boehly was the owner when Tuchel won the CL with Chelsea. 

Whoever replaces Tuchel needs to figure out their Kante-problem. When he's fit, they're as good as anyone. But more and more often, he's out. Chelsea performance v Spurs was Kante running the show, but he's been injured since and look at the results and more importantly, the performances. 
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Chelsea have looked poor for a while now, this was inevitable but didn’t think it would quite so soon. They’ve made the right decision here as they were only going to get worse under Tuchel. Hope he gets another PL job at some point he’s good to have around the league.
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had it been another year where Arsenal, Spurs and United were so poor that CFC just had to be better than them to make top 4, he may have got longer

With those 3 on the rise and with shocking performances against Leeds & Southampton, team no aggression, cleansheets/solid defense that defined the champions league win no longer there and no penetration up front, I can see why they pulled the trigger, they just shelled out 3.5 billion and not making top four is really not an option and would put them back 3/4 years
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To be safe you either need to be constantly challenging and winning, or for other clubs ensuring mid table mediocrity as early as possible. Otherwise you’re not winning titles or flirting with relegation, and shaking up the manager seems to be the first port of call for most clubs.

This has undoubtedly been to the benefit of managers with an existing reputation, as there are always jobs out there for them. Especially when it was that small set of managers that are indirectly linked by the short spells they had at the same clubs where they were digging teams out of relegation dogfights.
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Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Who would be a manager today though. Yes you get piles of money but with the stress and the short time you get its getting to be impossible almost. Your never going to get legendary status like coaches of the past again. Win the Champions League now its like so what your sacked anyway. On yer bike son. Possibly Pep is the only manager at the minute who has the ultimate job. Other than that anyone is sackable. 

I'd say Klopp is pretty much unsackable - if nothing else, Pool's fans are 100% behind him.

While I'd be very surprised if Brentford sacked Thomas Frank, even if they got relegated.

But you're right, aside from those three, it's a ridiculously precarious job, even more so as you go down the divisions, with the Championship being an absolute nightmare - average tenure now something like 9 months?.


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Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Who would be a manager today though. Yes you get piles of money but with the stress and the short time you get its getting to be impossible almost. Your never going to get legendary status like coaches of the past again. Win the Champions League now its like so what your sacked anyway. On yer bike son. Possibly Pep is the only manager at the minute who has the ultimate job. Other than that anyone is sackable. 

Dream job is right. City's bench is probably worth more than the first teams lads like Allegri and Pioli can put out. Ancelotti has to bring HAZARD on for Benzema but he'll make it work. Pep gets to work unfettered by things such as FFP and when he fails to win the CL again, they'll just give him another 200m to buy the CL.
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Originally posted by B6 6HE B6 6HE wrote:

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Football is a joke at times. A few defeats. Must be more going on there in the background. Daft ***ts

His not tough comments suggest he may have lost dressing room

All new owners want to appoint their own managers. 

Maybe if the manager is sh1t. Hardly the case here though. 
Nearly always the case irrespective of what they have done. 
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Funny thing is, I read somewhere that in US sport, it would be considered unthinkable to sack a coach so soon after he had won the Superbowl or World Series etc i.e. you get a couple of years grace to get it right again.
Very different circumstances, dynamics etc. in US Sport. 

Oh I agree, but you'd imagine Boehly might still have been inclined to give him until, say, the January window, or at least the World Cup break?

The other thing may be that TT is long known for NOT wanting to get involved in transfers - he strongly prefers just to concentrate on coaching.

But with Boehly having sacked all of Abram's recruitment people, he apparently roped TT in to advise on transfers. Which could mean that after spending £300m on a pile of crap, Boehly's ego wont allow him to admit his own naivety etc, so he has to blame someone else.

He wouldn't be the first billionaire to act like that.
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by B6 6HE B6 6HE wrote:

Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Football is a joke at times. A few defeats. Must be more going on there in the background. Daft ***ts

His not tough comments suggest he may have lost dressing room

All new owners want to appoint their own managers. 

Maybe if the manager is sh1t. Hardly the case here though. 
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Who would be a manager today though. Yes you get piles of money but with the stress and the short time you get its getting to be impossible almost. Your never going to get legendary status like coaches of the past again. Win the Champions League now its like so what your sacked anyway. On yer bike son. Possibly Pep is the only manager at the minute who has the ultimate job. Other than that anyone is sackable. 
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