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Originally posted by LO SCIENZIATO LO SCIENZIATO wrote:

reading the sun daily has more credibility than watching TDF. 

i was reading about the above last night, crazy stuff. defo more to it  
All sports are the same, it just seems there are people in cycling who want to try and change it. 
Still, the majority of people into it are insufferable. As bad as Formula 1is, I have never seen anybody driving for a pint of milk dressed like Lewis Hamilton.
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Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

Simon Yates won today's stage, but overshadowed by 2 other events today, firstly, the favourite for tomorrows individual time trial, time trial world champion Rohan Dennis, abandoned the race mid way through the stage and nobody is quite sure why- his own statement on it said 'given my current feeling it was the right decision to withdraw today' and the team confirmed he isn't physically injured or sick. Rumours of everything from a row with his team director to possible mental health issues to his team's links with (yet another) recent cycling doping enquiry are all available reasons, depending on what you read or want to believe.
He's always been a funny fish, major anger issues for a while now, walked out on his team half way through a season a few years back too. 

Word in the peloton is that he's not happy with the TT bike/skinsuit that his providers have given him. 
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Are people really still interested in this Tour De Farce
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To answer Doc first, around 12 million people stand on the side of the road to watch it each year, which makes it the best attended annual sporting event (as far as I know). Over 21 days, that's a half a million people a day. The organisers claim an annual TV audience of no less than 3 billion, putting it behind only the world cup and d'lympics.  While those things are very difficult to verify, French TV alone recorded viewership of 27 million in 2017 during one week of it. So, aye, there's still a few interested in it. 

Time trial won by leader Alaphillipe, to most peoples surprise, though quite why anything much in cycling is surprising I'm not really sure. People are pointing out he was never much of a time triallist before (Thomas, who is a time triallist, was faster than him by 4 minutes last year for example), but those little things long ceased to matter. Thomas wasn't much of a climber before last year and Froome wasn't much of a cyclist at all before one race in 2011 changed all that, so hardly any point in picking on Alaphillipe, who, unlike some of the Sky/Ineos lads, has actually won stuff throughout his career.

Dan Martin lost a good bit of time today, which used to be a normal thing for climbers in time trials in the pre-Sky era and not even remarked on, but in this era, it isn't enough to be good, or even competent at one discipline, you have to be among the best at everything to have even a slight chance at GC contention. 

He will probably have an influence on the winner of the TDF even though he won't win it himself, he's at the point now where he has to attack (it's his style to do that anyway) to gain time back, and he's well capable of shedding the biggest of names on a given day. It isn't so much that he will gain all the time back on Alaphillipe etc, but one of his attacks could well break one of the other GC contenders if they can't stay with him. 

Be a good stage tomorrow regardless, Ineos are in something of an unusual position in that they aren't controlling the race as it heads for the big mountains, so instead of their whole team merely marking the opposition like previous years, they will have to go out & attack them. 




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So basically there are a lot of people still out there that think this is still a sporting occasion with top athletes taking part and certain broadcasters portraying it as such, I will still stick to my FARCE part of the title a sporting occasion it is not

But yes there is that part where the stages up mountains an such give us that bit of entertainment just hoping to see some juiced up lala blowing up on the up or coming a cropper on the down


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Half a million a day, for twenty one days, is not twelve million. Just saying.

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Tourmalet today. Climbed that side a few years back between the Sweden and Belgium game at the Euros so looking forward to seeing how the pros take it. 
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Originally posted by DUBLIN DOC DUBLIN DOC wrote:

So basically there are a lot of people still out there that think this is still a sporting occasion with top athletes taking part and certain broadcasters portraying it as such, I will still stick to my FARCE part of the title a sporting occasion it is not

But yes there is that part where the stages up mountains an such give us that bit of entertainment just hoping to see some juiced up lala blowing up on the up or coming a cropper on the down

Not necessarily disagreeing it is a farce to a degree, but the Olympics manage the rare trick of making cycling look clean, people still watch that in their multi millions too. 

In a few months time, we have the Egg world cup, where 6ft plus 20 stone men repeatedly crash into each other for 80 minutes, also something that didn't happen years ago, professionalism & training alone didn't make a lot of these lads that size, most of the doping bans in the UK are for Rugby league and Rugby union players- draw yer own conclusions.

People were marvelling last week at Federer & Nadal, but in what other sport that requires such physical exertion do lads their age dominate ? I can think of one similar one, cycling. Wonder have the 2 sports anything in common ? 

Spain's cover up of Operacion Peurto- it is known that footballers & tennis players were on the books of Dr Fuentes, but the Spanish authorities only concentrated on the cyclists. Why so ? 

It's fair enough to deride the TDF as not a fair sporting contest, in fact history tells us that this is pretty much inarguable, but at the very least, it is not really any better or worse than a whole host of other sports which most people are generally happy not to question for whatever reason. 


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anyone watching today’s stage, looks like it could be a good wan, some big names in the breakway

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Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

anyone watching today’s stage, looks like it could be a good wan, some big names in the breakway
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Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

Originally posted by DUBLIN DOC DUBLIN DOC wrote:

So basically there are a lot of people still out there that think this is still a sporting occasion with top athletes taking part and certain broadcasters portraying it as such, I will still stick to my FARCE part of the title a sporting occasion it is not

But yes there is that part where the stages up mountains an such give us that bit of entertainment just hoping to see some juiced up lala blowing up on the up or coming a cropper on the down

Not necessarily disagreeing it is a farce to a degree, but the Olympics manage the rare trick of making cycling look clean, people still watch that in their multi millions too. 

In a few months time, we have the Egg world cup, where 6ft plus 20 stone men repeatedly crash into each other for 80 minutes, also something that didn't happen years ago, professionalism & training alone didn't make a lot of these lads that size, most of the doping bans in the UK are for Rugby league and Rugby union players- draw yer own conclusions.

People were marvelling last week at Federer & Nadal, but in what other sport that requires such physical exertion do lads their age dominate ? I can think of one similar one, cycling. Wonder have the 2 sports anything in common ? 

Spain's cover up of Operacion Peurto- it is known that footballers & tennis players were on the books of Dr Fuentes, but the Spanish authorities only concentrated on the cyclists. Why so ? 

It's fair enough to deride the TDF as not a fair sporting contest, in fact history tells us that this is pretty much inarguable, but at the very least, it is not really any better or worse than a whole host of other sports which most people are generally happy not to question for whatever reason. 


Could not disagree with that 
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Brilliant stage today, Pinot looking really strong, must be raging about the time he lost in the cross winds

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Shoco - does this thread and the one below have anything in common?
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Originally posted by Bob Hoskins Bob Hoskins wrote:

Shoco - does this thread and the one below have anything in common?

Apparently not bob, cycling bad, football good.....

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Great stage today, Alaphillipe lost time to Thomas & Kruswijk, but Pinot, Bernal & Buchmann gained time on the top 3. The top 6 are separated by just over 2 minutes, don't ever remember that many being in contention with 5 racing days to go (Sunday won't be a racing day as such). Next up is a rest day, 2 relatively flat days, then 3 Alpine stages in a row, where the race will be decided. If Pinot has the same form in the Alps as he did in the last 2 days he will win, but it really is difficult to tell at this stage. 

It likely won't be decided until Saturday, which will be mental, you'll have all the teams who haven't yet won a stage throwing everything at breakaways from the start, there will be teams missing key men through retirements, there will be tired lads cracking very early, and the remaining GC lads all trying to mark each other and gain the time they need to win the race. 

Completely wrong about Dan Martin, he won't be a factor in the race whatsoever, one thing losing (to a degree, expected) time in the time trial, but he has been well off the pace for the 2 days in the big mountains where he normally excels. He might still be in contention for a stage win somewhere if he can recover some form, he's that far back on GC now that the main contenders won't be marking him or see him as any great danger, but saying that, hasn't shown anything yet that would make anyone think it is likely to happen. 





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Loved yesterdays stage. Looked a great final climb, groups scattered everywhere.

I still feel Aliphilippe will crack and lose his lead, with him out of the picture you have 5 within 40 seconds. I reckon it could come down to the bonus points on the final climb the way this is going.
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Thibaut Pinot 6/5 Fav now to win the TDF, Geraint Thomas 18/5, Yellow Jersey leader Alaphilippe has drifted to 4/1, Egan Bernal is 19/4, rest day today.
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